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Just need some clarification, but also some advice on how to defend against tramples.

I have been running Kaelyssa lately with a full unit of sentinels+UA out front. I thought her feat would protect them, but the last game I played my opponent trampled into them. He said tramples don't target units, just locations and proceeded to work out the trample damage after moving. I don't have the mkii rulebook in front of me, but I though effects that prevent charges could stop trample.

You are correct according to p55, WM.

As Medium and large bases stop trample as does not giving space behind the potential trample target.

I have been running Kaelyssa lately with a full unit of sentinels+UA out front. I thought her feat would protect them, but the last game I played my opponent trampled into them. He said tramples don't target units, just locations and proceeded to work out the trample damage after moving. I don't have the mkii rulebook in front of me, but I though effects that prevent charges could stop trample.

Your opponent was correct. Trample does not target a specific model. While effects that prevent the trampling model from charging do prevent it from trampling, effects that prevent a model from being charged don't help.

Did your opponent trample into them, or over them?

He can't trample unless there's enough space or the model at the end.

(as was mentioned earlier in this thread)

Thank you for the replies.

Did your opponent trample into them, or over them?

He declared a trample then moved right up to them as there was not enough room for him to trample through and place his model.

A trampling model must cross a model's base in order to make
attacks. I think that's an errata.

Has there been a purple ruling on where p.55 says effects that prevent charging prevent trample not effecting this? TBH, I see the argument on both sides but just curious if something purple is out there on it.

If the effect is on the model wanting to trample then I would agree, no trample. In the case of Kaelyssa the feat states that friendly faction models may not be charged. Because of this a warjack can trample as you don't target a model with it. So 12thRonin, I don't recall a ruling similar to what you are talking about but i'll check later and report back.

That's true. It's not an effect directly on the model so I can see it.

"cannot be charged" does not prevent trampling or being trampled.

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?61558-Trampleing-a-model-that-cannot-be-charged&p=842836&viewfull=1#post842836

If a spell or effects prevents the attacking model, itself, from charging, then it cannot make a trample power attack.

If a spell of effect prevents the attacking model from charging another model, it does not prevent the attacking model from actually charging, it cannot just charge that other model. This does not prevent the attacking model from making a trample power attack.

Malfred wrote:A trampling model must cross a model's base in order to make
attacks. I think that's an errata.

That ruling was for people trampling 0" and getting free attacks against everyone in b2b.

You can still trample forward for the extra movement, but you do not get any initial attacks at the end of the movement. Meaning he might be in melee range now, but he has to buy attacks to do anything.

Mattman154 wrote:

Malfred wrote:A trampling model must cross a model's base in order to make
attacks. I think that's an errata.

That ruling was for people trampling 0" and getting free attacks against everyone in b2b.

You can still trample forward for the extra movement, but you do not get any initial attacks at the end of the movement. Meaning he might be in melee range now, but he has to buy attacks to do anything.

Right. He was saying he used the trample to do damage to models. However,
from the description, he didn't cross their bases.