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Dear Dakkanites,

On a recent game, an opponent was playing with a Stormraven without a base.

I've tried to shoot at it when it was hidden behind a short slope (a couple of inches high) and I was told that the Stormraven could still get a cover save, as it would have landed - and so was in cover, behind the short hill.

For future reference, considering that if the model was based he would be completely out of any plausible cover - how does this work?
Are these landing shenanigans valid for the shooting phase cover?

At the time, not wanting to create a big fuss, I've just allowed the cover saves, but for future reference, can anyone validate/argue this?

Thanks!

No - it's not allowed. You're required to use the base supplied with the model.

as stated and to lend support, it's not allowed.
The Stormraven must be played on the base, this determines how to give cover saves as well as reach melee. If your opponent "lost" his flying base, they can surely muster the funds to get another one since they purchased a Stormraven.

Per the rulebook, models must be used with the base provided.

Further, per the skimmer rules, a skimmer must be used on its flying base.

He was cheating (though may not have been doing so intentionally).

I have a friend that plays Eldar skimmers with a small rod for the height. Is that allowed?

Pied_Piper11 wrote:I have a friend that plays Eldar skimmers with a small rod for the height. Is that allowed?

As long as that is the base the model came with, then yes, it is allowed.

Yeah, you got cheated bud. The Core rulebook even specifically says that skimmers (of which the Stormraven is one) cannot land during the course of a game and thus must remind on their base.

chaos0xomega wrote:Yeah, you got cheated bud. The Core rulebook even specifically says that skimmers (of which the Stormraven is one) cannot land during the course of a game and thus must remind on their base.

Just to be nit picky, tau skimmers can land

Only if they have Landing Gear and that is a specific exception. In general, they cannot land.

Tau landing gear do not allow you to remove the base. It just allows you to treat the vehicle as if it were not a skimmer. (which would mean if I tank shock you you can't dodge).

Pretty much the storm raven is always hovering in mid air

even when IG assaults the rear armor by throwing their lasguns at it

at least until 6th when flyers might truly exist

Why would 6th ed. make a difference? What did you hear?

It is still rumored, but 6th will introduce rules for fliers and GW produce an errata stating the models on the large flying/skimmer base will be considered fliers rather than a skimmer.

Which means it only gets hit with shooting on 6(unless its from an AA mount) and cannot be assaulted by anything except Jump Infantry.

Grey Templar wrote:Which means it only gets hit with shooting on 6(unless its from an AA mount) and cannot be assaulted by anything except Jump Infantry.

Unless they change the rules for fliers as well.

Talking about potential changes in a theoretical publication is pretty pointless... they might change Flier rules to mirror current Skimmers-on-a-large-oval-base rules... which would mean no change overall.

Most of my Skimmers (Eldar) are no longer on flying bases. Years of improper storage, poor transportation, and battle damage during gaming has lead to almost all of them breaking off and me not bothering to repair them any more.

But, I still assume LOS based on where they should be. And, I always give benefit of the doubt to my opponent if there's some ambiguity in LOS.


Next time you play an opponent with skimmer not on a base, suggest this option first, don't just call their models illegal.

Grey Templar wrote:Which means it only gets hit with shooting on 6(unless its from an AA mount) and cannot be assaulted by anything except Jump Infantry.

oooooo I like the sound of that!!!

However, to counter that, Flyers must move their max allowed distance without doubling back.

They can leave the table(disengaging) and come back on the next turn to represent them strafing. When they do this they also can rearm any one shot weapons they had(although this will put them back into reserves)

Grey Templar wrote:However, to counter that, Flyers must move their max allowed distance without doubling back.

They can leave the table(disengaging) and come back on the next turn to represent them strafing. When they do this they also can rearm any one shot weapons they had(although this will put them back into reserves)

Even with this counter, it still sounds like a sweet deal. re-arming blood strike missles....yes please! lol

Which is why I doubt the current rules for Flyers will be used. That, or expect the point cost of the units to double.