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Is there a guide out there "kinda like the vampire the requiem/masqerade" Mini or long guild for all the space marine chapters that give a basic idea of what the space marines really think of each other or the inquisitors, humans etc?

Like what the Grey Knights opionions are on Space Wolves or the Scythes of the emperor or what a Crimson Fist thinks of the Ultra Marine chapter or how the feelings that the Dark Angels really have towards humans!?

Not really, no. There's their codices, and then whatever you want to draw out of BL novels, but a lot of it is couched in fluff-bits in the codex or open to interpretation.

Agreed.

Codexes by far are your best bet for a fixed outlook on others by said group... Black Library books are good, but can't be quoted as solid fluff IMO, but can still give you a general idea or insight as to what the author sees in them.

From the book "Angels of Darkness" it seems that the Dark Angels love humanity and will die for them without hesitation. Click on the spoiler to read what happens in the book... if you want


Now with that said, the codex would trump that if it were to say they had the opposite outlook.

Sanchez01 wrote:Now with that said, the codex would trump that if it were to say they had the opposite outlook.

There's a lot of references of Dark Angels or successor chapters leaving conflicts to lonely guard garrisons just after hearing a possible hint that a Fallen may be in the area. Though I'm sure what BL says could happen in some cases, I'm sure the general trend is that the Fallen and redemption are more important to the DA than almost anything else.

Vasarto wrote:
Like what the GreyKnights opinions are on Space Wolves or the Scythes of the emperor or what a Crimson Fist thinks of the Ultra Marine chapter or how the feelings that the Dark Angels really have towards humans!?

Greyknights are supposed to be secret anyway, and few chapters know about them.
If you read the little fluff they have on the First war of Armageddon it says how the space wolves despised the INQ for genocide and mind washing a population after the events on Armageddon but not Grey Knights in general.
Fluff wise GK's that involve with SM chapters normally have inquisitors or the INQ in general as to just independent Greyknights like the codex pictures them now.
They only exist to banish daemons and stop daemonic incursions.

Most space marines don't really care about humans, I read in Soul Hunter there was a Night lords parade on their home world Before the heresy and a woman ran up to a marine trying to grab his leg crying.
He ignored her and she was trampled by the crowds and marines marching, turned out that was the Marines birth mother.
That pretty much sums up that a marine only lives for war so I imagine Politics to be the very last concern for an Astrates chapter but in codex's and novels there may be some dialogue that explains points of views, but honestly that's mostly Horus-Heresy books I notice it

There are some chapters that aren't extreme "kill humans if it means we kill the enemy too" sort of mindset. If I remember correctly the Marines Malevolent are one of the worst of these kinds of thinking. The Salamanders however, are known to be humanitarian (to the extent that they seem to actually care about who and what they are fighting to defend). They travel back to Nocturne and stay with their families on occasion I believe.

In the First Heretic, Argen Tal thinks back to the day the astartes came for him and his parents and sisters asking for forgiveness from them for the decisions he's made. Meanwhile someone like Xaphen may not have such feelings. So I don't think that it is necessarily the whole chapter/legion that has exactly the same mind set, but depends a lot on the marines as well.

The only correct answer is:

There are one thousand different MArine Chapters and one thousand different attitudes toward humanity/war/duty/ other Astartes.

There's enough room out there for whatever interpretation you want to run with.

Although it is hinted that the big proportion of them don't care about civilians. Going form simply ignoring them to outright despising them.

well to hate the Inquisition is heretical but as for other chapters I know the Blood Angles hate thier own sub chapters the Ultramarines are stuck up so they think they are better than everyone else. White Scars hate everything thats not tradtional to them, the Soul drinkers are just there to serve no particular purpose., and the Death Specters hate everyone because they are at a space base looking out into nothing hoping that something that isnt even there attacks again even though it never attacked in the first place........and then there are the Imperial Fists...in every book or movie or Warhammer short film ive seen they are cannon fodder for EVERYONE so they cant hate anyone because they are all dead.

I know Salamanders and their second founding will risk Marines lives for civilians. In the book Ragners Claw it also mentions Space Wolves do the same.

I assume the Ultra Marines would also. As for the others I am sure there would be some level of sympathy for civilians as well and would fight for them at all cost.

However some chapters do not care as well, example that hits me are the Marines Malevelant or h.e you spell it. They will kill thousands of civilians just to kill their enemy. The Salamanders hate them. I recall hearing Templar and Dark Angel relations are south too. After the Dark Angels leveled a Templar Strike Cruiser and killed all the Marines on board purposely they kinda dislike them now.

I wouldn't say that the Ultramarines are stuck up. They don't march around with sticks up their backsides and they don't look down upon the other chapters. If you could give a couple examples of a situation where they think they are naturally better that would be great.

And the Imperial Fists are not all dead...

The problem with most of the quoted information being provided is they're from Horus Heresy books. This is how the chapters felt during the heresy, not necessarily how they feel during M41. For example, following the Dark Angels schism, I doubt they'd care as much about human life if it meant tracking down one of the Fallen.

If you want the best source of inter-chapter relations, then you'll want to look into the Imperial Armour books 9 and 10, covering the Badab War. There's a ton of information about how the chapters regard each other.

In addition, the FFG Deathwatch RPG adds a bit more information on how marines interact with one another, with various ideas for conflicts that could arise based on chapter beliefs.

Haven't heard of any Salamander successor chapters before. I know there was a rumored one or two but they failed and no connection was ever made that I can think of...but yes 1000 chapters and thus 1000 opinions.

physcosamatic wrote:

Vasarto wrote:
Like what the GreyKnights opinions are on Space Wolves or the Scythes of the emperor or what a Crimson Fist thinks of the Ultra Marine chapter or how the feelings that the Dark Angels really have towards humans!?

Greyknights are supposed to be secret anyway, and few chapters know about them.
If you read the little fluff they have on the First war of Armageddon it says how the space wolves despised the INQ for genocide and mind washing a population after the events on Armageddon but not Grey Knights in general.
Fluff wise GK's that involve with SM chapters normally have inquisitors or the INQ in general as to just independent Greyknights like the codex pictures them now.
They only exist to banish daemons and stop daemonic incursions.

Most space marines don't really care about humans, I read in Soul Hunter there was a Night lords parade on their home world Before the heresy and a woman ran up to a marine trying to grab his leg crying.
He ignored her and she was trampled by the crowds and marines marching, turned out that was the Marines birth mother.
That pretty much sums up that a marine only lives for war so I imagine Politics to be the very last concern for an Astrates chapter but in codex's and novels there may be some dialogue that explains points of views, but honestly that's mostly Horus-Heresy books I notice it

I'm not sure I agree. I imagine most SMs are pretty nice to humans, as well frankly, its their job to guard them from within/without threats. However, as in this example, there are exceptions. Another point is that the Night Lords just before the Heresy were mainly theives, thugs and murderers with no love for anyone because Nostramo had fallen into political ruin.

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Raven Guard seem to care about humans for the most part. Part of the MO of the Shadow Captains is that they often strike in support of planets and populations that have been ignored or abandoned by the rest of the IoM.