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What is the most effective way to deal with av 14 LR and such?

Im not a big Zapgun fan,

Most reliably. Deffrolla it or punch it with a power klaw on or off a boarding plank .The Deffrolla is probably better, even if the power klaw is on a warboss.

Yep, that's pretty much the way to do it.
Deffrolla is always fun if you can get it to their lines. The boarding klaw is really amazing when you can get it off of a trukk, as even when you tell your opponent what it does, they still don't really expect it (in some cases).

Warboss PK and deffrollas are your best bet, sadly.

Weird boyz have that 36" range S10 ap1 melta weapon, if you roll it. Does automatically hit...
...if you roll it

Speaking of boarding planks- my ork buddy once used 3 trukks and a wagon to actually create a little corral for my landraider. I could not disembark, move without ramming (S5 ram woo <_<, could not turn without hitting a trukk, and I was playing CSM so no PoTMS to fire at 2 trukks. The next turn his warboss walked down the plank...

I've still got a photo somewhere of that landraider parked in by trukks and a wagon

Dreds, Kans, Deffrollas, and Warbosses.


Orks really don't NEED to kill most AV14 vehicles, they just need to kill what comes out of it. Fortunantly Boyz do that job quite nicely.

I destroyed a LR, once....

Took ghazzy and a boyz w/nob PK squad to do it, even then I want to say it took me 2 or 3 turns to do so.

Or did I immobilize it?

Our best bet might be to just ignore it and kill something more worth the effort.

Grey Templar wrote:Dreds, Kans, Deffrollas, and Warbosses.

This for the biggest chance to penetrate.

Past that, standard klaws can potentially get it done on the charge.

So, yes, Orks have to get into Melee to take it out.

Weirboy is another option, but you only have a 16.7% to get what you're looking for. Just under 20% if you've spent 20pts to upgrade him to be a Warphead.

Kharrak wrote:Weirboy is another option, but you only have a 16.7% to get what you're looking for. Just under 20% if you've spent 20pts to upgrade him to be a Warphead.

That's more than ten times the probability of a battery of zzap guns which someone will undoubtedly advice in the course of this thread

Tank hammers and tank busta bombs also tend to reduce AV14 vehicles to wrecks. A full unit of tank bustaz brings 6 S10 4 S9 attacks and 12 S6+2d6 attacks on a vehicle. You could even should 12 rokkits at them before that and hope for an immobilize and then auto-hits.
Tank bustas aren't the most competitive choice, though.

from range...really the Shokk Attack gun is the closest you're going to get. If you can manage to roll a 9 or 10 for strength, you'll get to roll 2d6 and pick the highest for armor pen, since it's ordinance.
But yeah...powerklaws on your nobz and warboss, deff rollas and dreads are still your best bet

marauder6272 wrote:from range...really the Shokk Attack gun is the closest you're going to get. If you can manage to roll a 9 or 10 for strength, you'll get to roll 2d6 and pick the highest for armor pen, since it's ordinance.
But yeah...powerklaws on your nobz and warboss, deff rollas and dreads are still your best bet

The sag is only very slightly better than a zzap gun. Neither should ever be shot at vehicles. Just because you have chance to penetrate a landraider, doesn't mean it will ever happen. You are almost as likely to immobilize a landraider with a single BS2 rokkit as you are to immobilize or destroy it with the SAG.

Tankbustas can get a PK Nob and 2 S10 Tankhammers, is that effective at all in anyone's experience?

the last one I blew up was with a charge from 3 kans. having 9 Str 10 hits works well against them.

Jidmah wrote:Tank hammers and tank busta bombs also tend to reduce AV14 vehicles to wrecks. A full unit of tank bustaz brings 6 S10 4 S9 attacks and 12 S6+2d6 attacks on a vehicle. You could even should 12 rokkits at them before that and hope for an immobilize and then auto-hits..

Actually forgot about them (ironically). Yeah, Tankhammers (of which a max of two can be present in a unit), as well as the cheapest powerklaw in the codex can be neat. It does reinforce that aspect of getting rid of AV14 through close combat, however.

The issue with Tankbustas is that you have to have them in a vehicle for you to reliably get them where they are going.

Otherwise they'll spend the whole game chasing a rhino around the board instead of going after the Landraider they're supposed to pop.

Cant beat Kans with rokkets, in one turn against eldar i destroyed 1 tank and immobilised the other. ok they probably werent av14...

brainscan wrote:Cant beat Kans with rokkets, in one turn against eldar i destroyed 1 tank and immobilised the other. ok they probably werent av14...

Like another user said you could conceivably fire all your rokkits and then assault to follow up with 9 Str 10 attacks

TedNugent wrote:

brainscan wrote:Cant beat Kans with rokkets, in one turn against eldar i destroyed 1 tank and immobilised the other. ok they probably werent av14...

Like another user said you could conceivably fire all your rokkits and then assault to follow up with 9 Str 10 attacks

This!

This is actually the BEST way to use Kanz in assault, because their WS2 doesn't come into play, and if you still have a full-strength squadron, 9 attacks is worth it even if you need 6's to hit. The bad thing is that it's relatively easy for most vehicles to out-run a Kan squad.

Murrdox wrote:

TedNugent wrote:

brainscan wrote:Cant beat Kans with rokkets, in one turn against eldar i destroyed 1 tank and immobilised the other. ok they probably werent av14...

Like another user said you could conceivably fire all your rokkits and then assault to follow up with 9 Str 10 attacks

This!

This is actually the BEST way to use Kanz in assault, because their WS2 doesn't come into play, and if you still have a full-strength squadron, 9 attacks is worth it even if you need 6's to hit. The bad thing is that it's relatively easy for most vehicles to out-run a Kan squad.

You could use your kans to corner or block the LR or whatever vehicle from moving then go to town on it Happy days

Grey Templar wrote:The issue with Tankbustas is that you have to have them in a vehicle for you to reliably get them where they are going.

Otherwise they'll spend the whole game chasing a rhino around the board instead of going after the Landraider they're supposed to pop.

While them being in a transport is true, you an always choose which vehicle they go after, as long as they try to go after a vehicle in sight :p

Grey Templar wrote:The issue with Tankbustas is that you have to have them in a vehicle for you to reliably get them where they are going.

Otherwise they'll spend the whole game chasing a rhino around the board instead of going after the Landraider they're supposed to pop.

Glory hogs doesn't effect movement, only shooting and assaulting. Which means so long as there's a vehicle in sight no running.

Grey Templar wrote:The issue with Tankbustas is that you have to have them in a vehicle for you to reliably get them where they are going.

Otherwise they'll spend the whole game chasing a rhino around the board instead of going after the Landraider they're supposed to pop.

While I'd really like to have that urban myth to continue to promote misplays against tank bustas, glory hogs forces them to do nothing but shoot/assault a vehicle if one is in sight. I can move my tankbustas wherever I want and shoot/assault whatever vehicle I like. They also create a 60" diameter bubble of death for any rhinos on the board, so the chase wouldn't last too long anyways.

The tankbustas still have melta bombs, kinda. Krak grenades with 2d6+6 ap, and no melta rule so storm ravens still take the full hit. Ares raiders, too.

Stormravens would also take a full hit from a melta bomb, as they are safe from shooting attacks only.

Yeah, Meltabombs aren't Melta

How about some Zappp Gunz? Kidding

Pretty much any heavy armour popping will be by slamming sharp bits of metal or explosives into it pointblank for orks.

It's not really even worth it to whittle it down with glances from rokkit fire, unless you literally have nothing else you'd want to shoot left.

Kharrak wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Dreds, Kans, Deffrollas, and Warbosses.

This for the biggest chance to penetrate.

Past that, standard klaws can potentially get it done on the charge.

So, yes, Orks have to get into Melee to take it out.

Weirboy is another option, but you only have a 16.7% to get what you're looking for. Just under 20% if you've spent 20pts to upgrade him to be a Warphead.

It's actually 30%

That's almost Ork BS

Edit: that's assuming you pass the psychic test :(

Which you would 92% of the time, thanks to mob rule.

The best answer for AV 14 is a bunch of Nobz with PKs. They have furious charge so they have at least 5 Attacks if they charge.

Um.. how would Furious charge give them more attacks?

FC grants +1 Initiative (no use to PK's) and +1 Str, whcih is added after the PK's doubling effect.

On the charge a nob PK is S 9.

Extra CC weapons don't add to a PK, though charging does, so a charging Nob will be swinging 4 S 9 blows IIRC.

Jidmah wrote:Stormravens would also take a full hit from a melta bomb, as they are safe from shooting attacks only.

It appears I've been lied to, then.

Har har, Ascalam. Just saying, it's 2d6 pen, sans melta rule. It can have its uses.

Never said it didn't

If i could hand meltabombs out to my orks, i'd do it in a hearbeat.


The fact it ISN"T melta is very handy, as it bypassed the old Living Metal rule for Liths, and works fine on melta-resistant vehicles.