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Is there really any point in the UK staying in Afganistan? The Taliban will only take over once the troops have left anyway...seems like this landlocked Asian country really isn't worth fighting over. That's how I see it, anyway.
What does dakka think? What do Americans think about it? Vast majority of NATO forces are American, as are the losses.

No.

Honestly no, there is no point.

None.

Nil.

0.

0.0% of reason for staying.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

Don't worry, when the Americans finally learn to swallow their pride, they'll leave, and the rest will follow.

So never I'm sorry :(

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Poppabear wrote:Don't worry, when the Americans finally learn to swallow their pride, they'll leave, and the rest will follow.

It has nothing to do with pride so much as people deciding that it's not worth it continued loss of lives of US soldiers.

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Im so offended by that

Hyena has that effect on people.

I really hope your not going to say that the afghan terrorists deserve human rights...

Mr Hyena wrote:

I really hope your not going to say that the afghan terrorists deserve human rights...

Are you insane? How else does an under powered country fight back?
You really think they can fight against the Nukes and the Fuill military in a glorious all out battle?

The truth is, they cant.
Does that mean they should let the stronger country do w/e they want?
Or any means possible to retaliate?
They are also humans for gods sake, get that into your head.

That is disgusting. Terrorists are evil and vile and deserve absolutely no compassion sent towards them. An underpowered country doesn't deserve any right to fight back if its in the wrong, saying otherwise is insane and allows evil to triumph.

Humans? Humans don't support Terrorism. Humans don't support people who behead soldiers who fight to improve people's lives. Humans don't hide among their own people and use them as meatshields.

Mr Hyena wrote:That is disgusting. Terrorists are evil and vile and deserve absolutely no compassion sent towards them. An underpowered country doesn't deserve any right to fight back if its in the wrong.

Humans? Humans don't support terrorism.

And what made them wrong prior? Im not talking about the terrorist retorts.
What made them wrong in the first place to be attacked by USA

Mr Hyena wrote:Humans don't support people who behead soldiers who fight to improve people's lives. Humans don't hide among their own people and use them as meatshields.

WTF DO YOU THINK POLITICIANS ARE. How many of your own soldiers are sent to their death just to save some investment in oil fields?
They are already meatshields and pawns in the very start.

This won't end well.

I think it is a pointless waste of lives now. It's a stalemate, and it is unlikely to break anytime soon. We should cut our losses and pull out.

And what made them wrong prior? Im not talking about the terrorist retorts.
What made them wrong in the first place to be attacked by USA

Harbouring terrorists. War isn't declared on the civilians...but on the Terrorists.

WTF DO YOU THINK POLITICIANS ARE. How many of your own soldiers are sent to their death just to save some investment in oil fields?
They are already meatshields and pawns in the very start.

Its interesting how you try to compare politicians to terrorists considering they are nothing alike. Soldiers do what they have to do in order to protect people.

Everyone feels the need to find Kony but not solve the larger human rights problems in the middle east?

Mr Hyena wrote:

And what made them wrong prior? Im not talking about the terrorist retorts.
What made them wrong in the first place to be attacked by USA

Harbouring terrorists. War isn't declared on the civilians...but on the Terrorists.

WTF DO YOU THINK POLITICIANS ARE. How many of your own soldiers are sent to their death just to save some investment in oil fields?
They are already meatshields and pawns in the very start.

Its interesting how you try to compare politicians to terrorists considering they are nothing alike. Soldiers do what they have to do in order to protect people.

And why did they do terrorist act in the first place? because they are jealous of your freedom? Dont give me that propaganda BS.

Its interesting how I compare politician to terrorist? Sure.
I find politicians that sacrifice their own soldiers for personal gain to be every bit WORSE than terrorists.
They get to sit back without staining their hands, in all safety, and always have a clean slate despite the evil they do.

This isnt about soldiers, soldiers are innocent sheeps that abide what they are told to do. They are valiant, they are noble to give their lives,
but by no way does that mean their "boss" share the same noble cause.

If you cant sort that out, there is nothing for us to talk about.

Private_Joker wrote:Everyone feels the need to find Kony but not solve the larger human rights problems in the middle east?

Its a cultural thing...so good luck changing it. If all those theocracies can be removed and islam's influence reduced...then maybe it could work.

And why did they do terrorist act in the first place? because they are jealous of your freedom? Dont give me that propaganda BS.

Its interesting how I compare politician to terrorist? Sure.
I find politicians that sacrifice their own soldiers for personal gain to be every bit WORSE than terrorists.
They get to sit back without staining their hands, in all safety, and always have a clean slate despite the evil they do.

This isnt about soldiers, soldiers are innocent sheeps that abide what they are told to do. They are valiant, they are noble to give their lives,
but by no way does that mean their "boss" share the same noble cause.

If you cant sort that out, there is nothing for us to talk about.

Why do they do the terrorist acts? I don't know. I do not know how an animal acts. I suppose because they consider the West at large to be the 'Great Satan' and some more religious bs.

Your doing a great job at coming across as a terrorist sympathiser though. I guess there is nothing to talk about.

Joey wrote:Is there really any point in the UK staying in Afganistan?

Maybe stay long enough to learn how to spell it?

I'm just saying...

Mr Hyena wrote:

Private_Joker wrote:Everyone feels the need to find Kony but not solve the larger human rights problems in the middle east?

Its a cultural thing...so good luck changing it. If all those theocracies can be removed and islam's influence reduced...then maybe it could work.

And why did they do terrorist act in the first place? because they are jealous of your freedom? Dont give me that propaganda BS.

Its interesting how I compare politician to terrorist? Sure.
I find politicians that sacrifice their own soldiers for personal gain to be every bit WORSE than terrorists.
They get to sit back without staining their hands, in all safety, and always have a clean slate despite the evil they do.

This isnt about soldiers, soldiers are innocent sheeps that abide what they are told to do. They are valiant, they are noble to give their lives,
but by no way does that mean their "boss" share the same noble cause.

If you cant sort that out, there is nothing for us to talk about.

Why do they do the terrorist acts? I don't know. I do not know how an animal acts. I suppose because they consider the West at large to be the 'Great Satan' and some more religious bs.

Your doing a great job at coming across as a terrorist sympathiser though. I guess there is nothing to talk about.

And thats why war exists because people never care about why war starts, they only care about the revenge part.
Im a terrorist sympathizer? oh please, its the rule of Causality, nothing in the planes of existence can unbind from that.
But hey, you can always ignore that right? like you obviously have.

LunaHound wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:

Private_Joker wrote:Everyone feels the need to find Kony but not solve the larger human rights problems in the middle east?

Its a cultural thing...so good luck changing it. If all those theocracies can be removed and islam's influence reduced...then maybe it could work.

And why did they do terrorist act in the first place? because they are jealous of your freedom? Dont give me that propaganda BS.

Its interesting how I compare politician to terrorist? Sure.
I find politicians that sacrifice their own soldiers for personal gain to be every bit WORSE than terrorists.
They get to sit back without staining their hands, in all safety, and always have a clean slate despite the evil they do.

This isnt about soldiers, soldiers are innocent sheeps that abide what they are told to do. They are valiant, they are noble to give their lives,
but by no way does that mean their "boss" share the same noble cause.

If you cant sort that out, there is nothing for us to talk about.

Why do they do the terrorist acts? I don't know. I do not know how an animal acts. I suppose because they consider the West at large to be the 'Great Satan' and some more religious bs.

Your doing a great job at coming across as a terrorist sympathiser though. I guess there is nothing to talk about.

And thats why war exists because people never care about why war starts, they only care about the revenge part.
Im a terrorist sympathizer? oh please, its the rule of Causality, nothing in the planes of existence can unbind from that.
But hey, you can always ignore that right? like you obviously have.

I don't care how poor they are nor do I give a damn about what religion they are. That isn't the fault of Western nations. Its no excuse to start blowing civilian people up for no reason and thats what invites wars. If they want to start terrorising civilians? fine, but let it be on their head because Western countries won't stand for that.

I find politicians that sacrifice their own soldiers for personal gain to be every bit WORSE than terrorists.
They get to sit back without staining their hands, in all safety, and always have a clean slate despite the evil they do.

That has never happened...


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Mr Hyena wrote:I don't care how poor they are, that isn't the fault of Western nations. Its no excuse to start blowing civilian people up for no reason and thats what invites wars. If they want to start terrorising civilians? fine, but let it be on their head because Western countries won't stand for that.

So.... in your head, they did terrorism because they are jealous of rich Western nations?

Yep. we are done here.

Castiel wrote:This won't end well.

I think it is a pointless waste of lives now. It's a stalemate, and it is unlikely to break anytime soon. We should cut our losses and pull out.

Wait, are you talking about Afghanistan or this thread?

Probably both given the subject material.

Yep. we are done here.

Good riddance.

You need to get a clue on how the world works Hyena.
the war did not start on 9-11

It started long ago back when USA used Afghanistan to fight USSR

LunaHound wrote: How many of your own soldiers are sent to their death just to save some investment in oil fields?
They are already meatshields and pawns in the very start.

You do realize that Afghanistan isn't really known for their oil fields, right?

As for the meat shields and pawns drivel, what ever.

As to the OP, as much as I would like to say yes, the answer is probably not. There are a few advantages to keeping your troopers there but in the end they may not tip the scale to make it worth while. The advantages as I see it:
- While there they are killing some folks that need killing and helping some that need helping.
- Your SOF forces are getting some damned good experience (actually all your troops there are) which does help out your nation.
- Lastly, it gives you a bargaining chip when you need something from the US.


Jake

CptJake wrote:

LunaHound wrote: How many of your own soldiers are sent to their death just to save some investment in oil fields?
They are already meatshields and pawns in the very start.

You do realize that Afghanistan isn't really known for their oil fields, right?

Jake

It was a comparison. A comparison to show you that just because the soldiers are noble,
doesnt mean the people that sent them there share the same noble cause .

But they sure did come up with nice excuses!

LunaHound wrote:You need to get a clue on how the world works Hyena.
the war did not start on 9-11

It started long ago back when USA used Afghanistan to fight USSR

Oh dear... I better run down to London and start blowing things up then! God forbid history stays history.

That is a slippery slope and you know it. But since its not logical...it fits for a reason why the vermin act the way they do.

I never really thought that Afghanistan was a good place to be. That region in general is just a cesspool, and it has been since, oh... at least 3000 years.

I've heard 2014 is our general idea of when to leave... Still too long.

LunaHound wrote:You need to get a clue on how the world works Hyena.
the war did not start on 9-11

It started long ago back when USA used Afghanistan to fight USSR

You mean when Soviet Russia invaded Afghanistan and the US aided and supplied foreign fighters, ultimately leading to the withdrawal of USSR forces and the liberation of Afghanistan? You mean then?

No it didn't. Osama bin Laden being involved with the Mujihadeen was a by-product of the Russian war in Afghanistan, but it was never inevitable that he would mastermind a bunch of guys flying planes into tower blocks. That's just a post hoc fallacy, because not every Mujahid did that. Beneath all the pseudo-philosophical pontificating you do, you actually have a very naive and child-like world view.


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@Samus - Actually you are wrong. Afghanistan has been a favoured destination for travellers as recently as the '60s and '70s, and served a similar function as somewhere like Goa, or Bali - it was popular with hippie backpackers. It hasn't always been a cesspool - it used to be comparatively liberal.

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I hate to be the one to go Godwyn, but because you insist on stating stuff like the above I'll offer this:

Questions to Research:

1. What does dehumanization mean?

2. What does dehumanization do to a person? What did it do to the Jews?

3. Where does dehumanization occur in our world today?

4. How did the Nazis use dehumanization? What techniques were considered dehumanization?