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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/11 22:25:21
Subject: 2K Points Space Wolves MSU Spam List
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Scouting Shadow Warrior
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Well, I basically went for all out Cheese on this list
HQ Rune Priest Chooser, Living Lightning, Jaws 110
HQ Rune Priest Chooser, Living Lightning, Jaws, Melta Bombs 115
HQ Rune Priest Chooser, Living Lightning, Hurricane 110
HQ Rune Priest Chooser, Living Lightning, Hurricane, Melta Bombs 115
Elite Lone Wolf Wolf Claws 60
Elite Lone Wolf Wolf Claws 60
Elite Lone Wolf Wolf Claws 60
Troop 5 Grey Hunters Plasma, TLLC Razorback 160
Troop 5 Grey Hunters Plasma, TLLC Razorback 160
Troop 5 Grey Hunters Plasma, TLLC Razorback 160
Troop 5 Grey Hunters Plasma, TLLC Razorback 160
Troop 6 Grey Hunters Plasma, Wolf Standard, TLLC Razorback 185
Troop 6 Grey Hunters Plasma, Wolf Standard, TLLC Razorback 185
Heavy Support Predator AC/LC 120
Heavy Support Predator AC/LC 120
Heavy Support Predator AC/LC 120
2000
Basically, i have the Plasma Guns because i will be facing alot of Grey Knights and im not sure how much the meltas will help with the minimal AV 14 i will face... the Lascannon Backs+ the AC/LC preds should be able to take care of that, and deal with Transports... and the rune priests set up choosers around my lines to deny infiltrating melta, and provide good LOS for that +1 BS!
Thanks in advance for the help
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/12 02:53:24
Subject: Re:2K Points Space Wolves MSU Spam List
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Well...it could be cheesy...but not enough...you have 4 Rune Priests who are all pretty much wasted as they'll have nowhere to shoot from...add in the fact that you're at -4 LD when shooting Psychic Powers against Grey Knight units within 12" of a Dreadnought and those Priests don't look as sexy. To make this absolute cheese dickery...here's what you do: 1 Rune Priest 6 Las Plas Razors with Melta (Plasma isn't going to make much of a difference, might as well go for the gold Keep the Predators Drop the Lone Wolves Take 3x2 Typhoon Speeders Then you'll have a wall of steel with 12 ML shots, 12 Lascannon Shots, a bored Rune Priest, 6 Autocannon shots...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/12 09:23:33
Subject: 2K Points Space Wolves MSU Spam List
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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I am going to be honest, become a BA player. Drop all but 1 hq and the lone wolves and get some baal preds. You will do so much better.
5 assault marines, meltagun, lazplaz razorback. -165
Move 6" shoot 3 guns at grey knights ~kill 2, maybe 3 if you unload the squad. There is a points reduction if you mount assault marines for the BA.
If you like to have fun you could drop the HQ's and lone wolves and get some TWC, you have more then enough tanks for them to move behind and they can bring a cc edge to the army that is severely lacking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/12 09:47:57
Subject: 2K Points Space Wolves MSU Spam List
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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If you really wanna go cheesy I advice you something like this: HQ - Rune Priest - LL / Murderous Hurrcane - Chooser. 110 HQ - Rune Priest - Storm Caller / Tempest Wrath. 100 EL - Dreadnought - 2x TL Autocannons. 125 EL - Dreadnought - 2x TL Autocannons. 125 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Meltagun - TL Lascannon Razorback. 155 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Meltagun - TL Lascannon Razorback. 155 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer - TL Lascannon Razorback. 150 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer - TL Lascannon Razorback. 150 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer - TL Lascannon Razorback. 150 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer - TL Lascannon Razorback. 150 FA - Land Speeder - HB - TML. 90 FA - Land Speeder - HB - TML. 90 FA - Land Speeder - HB - TML. 90 HV - Predator - AC / LCs. 120 HV - Predator - AC / LCs. 120 HV - Predator - AC / LCs. 120 Tot. 2000 - Living Lightning - 4x TL Autocannons - 2x Meltaguns - 4x Flamers - 6x TL Lascannons - 3x Heavy Bolters - 6x Missiles - 3x Autocannons - 6x Lascannons However you seriously lack in CC attitude, as pointed out by Liturgies of Blood, and by my personal point of view, with a list like this, you'll really be better with Long Fangs instead of Predators and eventually also Bjorn as HQ that will boost even further your shooty happiness. One Rune Priest is enough imho. If, however, you'll let me advice you a nice ALL COMERS list I'm testing from a little while and I'm very happy with take a look at this list: HQ - Bjorn - Plasma Cannon - HF. 270 HQ - Rune Priest - Living Lightning - Murderous Hurricane - Chooser of the Slain. 110 EL - Dreadnought - TL Lascannon - HF. 145 EL - Dreadnought - 2x TL Autocannons. 125 EL - 4x Wolf Guards - 2x PF/Combi-meltas - 2x Combi-flamer. 132 TR - 7x Grey Hunters - Meltagun - Wolf Standard - Mark of the Wulfen - Rhino. 170 TR - 7x Grey Hunters - Meltagun - Wolf Standard - Mark of the Wulfen - Rhino. 170 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer. 75 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer. 75 FA - 4x TWC - TH/bp - ccw/SS - ccw/SS/meltabombs - ccw/bp. 295 HV - 6x Long Fangs - 5x ML - TL Lascannon Razorback. 215 HV - 6x Long Fangs - 5x ML - TL Lascannon Razorback. 215 Tot. 1997 2x Tarpitters (Bjorn + the 145 pts Dreadnought), one effective CC/conter charge unit, a more than decent shooty effectiveness, a decent number of troops with 2 of them actually enough resilients and reliables. Even not a HUGE number of Kill points.
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6000+ pts NIDS
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/12 11:58:33
Subject: 2K Points Space Wolves MSU Spam List
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Scouting Shadow Warrior
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i will be working on a new list later on in the day, will post it later! Thank you for all the help thus far
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/12 12:39:22
Subject: 2K Points Space Wolves MSU Spam List
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Toban wrote:
HQ - Rune Priest - LL / Murderous Hurrcane - Chooser. 110
HQ - Rune Priest - Storm Caller / Tempest Wrath. 100
I think you should go with 2x storm callers, that way you can have all of the army or as close as makes no difference in cover. Lets you spread around the board more and keep both groups safe.
2x Tarpitters (Bjorn + the 145 pts Dreadnought), one effective CC/conter charge unit, a more than decent shooty effectiveness, a decent number of troops with 2 of them actually enough resilients and reliables.
Even not a HUGE number of Kill points.
I am not sure that there is a tarpit in there at all. The two greyhunter squads are not that tough and what you could be doing is giving an enemy a turn of shooting free of your guns. I land into one of those squads with a wolf lord and 3 TWC, wolf lord kills the rune priest and the thunderwolves bash the squad. Most of them die, you get 3 power fist attacks, probably 1 wound on the lord. After that you die in your turn and the twc move a few inches closer with consolidation, move run and charge whatever is within 1 foot.
I think with a shooting army you don't want to give that cc tarpit to hide behind to deathstars.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/12 16:02:08
Subject: 2K Points Space Wolves MSU Spam List
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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The tarpitters, at least as I use them just in case, are Bjorn and the Dreadnought with DCCW. As I wrote marking them into ( ). Grey Hunters in 7/8x teams are there just because I'm not so confident with pure MSU lists. Mostly because, as you pointed out Liturgies, even if I can easily outshot most armies in the first 2/3 turns depending on deployments, if a deathstar touch a part of my line it destroy it quitely easy. 7/8x Grey Hunters could and should manage a Tactical sq., going after TWC or TH/SS Terminators really isn't their job. At all. Anyway, my list isn't at all the more optimised available and even by myself I use a modified version for tournaments. Infact, however, not doing tournaments every week but instead playing more casual games (still in a competitive situation), I prefer an ALL COMERS list that give me a sort of equilibrium. Of course with some limitation, but problems that I'm feeling good with, if you see what I mean. About the double Storm Caller. Personally I prefer different power just because of the use of the Rune Priests. The Storm Caller one will often stay back, close to the long-range shooters. For the same reason he will profit the most of Tempest wrath, exaclty like a sort of Warpquaqe (GK). Differently, the LL/Hurricane Rune Priest, even boosted by the Chooser of the Slain, would profit of the +1BS closing in vs the opponent. Mostly for Hurricane of course and in the past even for Jaws but because of the Orcs/Nids missing from the tables lately I converted it in a Living Lightning.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/03/12 16:27:46
Every molecule will be useful
6000+ pts NIDS
( ) 2000 pts growing to 4000... |
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