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HQ: Primaris Psyker (8#, 150 pts)
6 Psyker Battle Squad, 80 pts (Psyker (Santioned Psykers Only); Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Close Combat Weapon x6; Laspistol x6; Psychic Choir; Ultimate Sanction; Soulstorm; Weaken Resolve)
1 Overseer (Flak Armour; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol)
1 Primaris Psyker, 70 pts (Psyker; Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Refractor Field; Force Weapon; Laspistol; Independent Character; It's For Your Own Good; Lightning Arc; Nightshroud)

Troops: Veteran Squad (10#, 90 pts)
7 Veteran Squad, 90 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Lasgun x7)
1 Veteran Heavy Weapon Team (Lascannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Krak Grenades)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

Troops: Veteran Squad (10#, 100 pts)
9 Veteran Squad, 100 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Lasgun x6; Meltagun x3)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

Troops: Veteran Squad (10#, 100 pts)
9 Veteran Squad, 100 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Lasgun x6; Meltagun x3)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

Fast Attack: Vendetta Gunship Squadron (1#, 130 pts)
1 Vendetta Gunship Squadron, 130 pts (Deep Strike; Grav Chute Insertion; Scouts)
1 Vendetta (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Twin-linked Lascannon x3)

Fast Attack: Vendetta Gunship Squadron (1#, 130 pts)
1 Vendetta Gunship Squadron, 130 pts (Deep Strike; Grav Chute Insertion; Scouts)
1 Vendetta (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Twin-linked Lascannon x3)

Fast Attack: Hellhound Squadron (2#, 300 pts)
1 Hellhound Squadron, 300 pts
1 Hellhound (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Fast); Inferno Cannon; Smoke Launchers; Multi-melta)
1 Hellhound (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Fast); Inferno Cannon; Smoke Launchers; Multi-melta)

This list is based around scout moving up to the enemy line with vendettas, move forward 6" and pivot slightly, and abuse the 2" disembark to get my Meltas in range for double tap. After the two Vendettas scout up, my two Hell Hounds are able to flame anyone that I forced out of the tanks. After this, my Sanctioned Psykers in the back can Weaken Resolve who ever came out and reduce their leadership by 6. If I dont go first, I can scout move full 24 inches to gain cover saves, and scare people with the idea of "Oh no! His Vendettas has Meltas inside!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't embark the Vet squads into the Vendettas in the deployment? So you'd need to forgo scouting and embark them 1st turn, then flat out and get shot at first turn?

Without using IA8 and abusing Valkyries as dedicated transports, it's difficult to get a first turn drop in melta range.

What stops you from using vendetta as transport at start of game?

IG-Sqroot wrote:What stops you from using vendetta as transport at start of game?

It's not a dedicated transport, so units can't start the game in it.

A Chimera is bought as a dedicated transport for a Vet Squad, so the Vets can be deployed inside the Chimera during the deployment. Since the Valkyrie/Vendetta isn't a dedicated transport, a unit can't start the game inside it. Meaning if you want to use it as a transport, the unit has to embark during your first turn, and can't disembark until the next turn.

Joshh wrote:

IG-Sqroot wrote:What stops you from using vendetta as transport at start of game?

It's not a dedicated transport, so units can't start the game in it.

A Chimera is bought as a dedicated transport for a Vet Squad, so the Vets can be deployed inside the Chimera during the deployment. Since the Valkyrie/Vendetta isn't a dedicated transport, a unit can't start the game inside it. Meaning if you want to use it as a transport, the unit has to embark during your first turn, and can't disembark until the next turn.

Actually yes you can start the game inside. My local gaming store tourney organizer has made it clear that squads may start out inside a vehicle as long as it is a transport.

Joshh wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't embark the Vet squads into the Vendettas in the deployment? So you'd need to forgo scouting and embark them 1st turn, then flat out and get shot at first turn?

Without using IA8 and abusing Valkyries as dedicated transports, it's difficult to get a first turn drop in melta range.

You're wrong and I'm correcting you the only reason a unit couldn't start inside a vehicle was if it was a dedicated transport of another squad. If its a FOC choice then you can drop whoever you want in it, so long as the squad/models fit. If you believe otherwise could you quote RAW with page? If so there area LOOOOT of lists on here that are malformed and many tournaments have been played wrong


As for the list I'd drop the hellhounds, unsquadron the Vendettas and add in a little Heavy Support fun and a vehicle for the Psychers.

Thank you all; apparently every single one of my friends is mistaken (even the ones who have played for longer than I've been alive). I looked it up in the rulebook and my deployment strategy is quite different now

I am slow, King of Retardia.

felixander wrote:

Joshh wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't embark the Vet squads into the Vendettas in the deployment? So you'd need to forgo scouting and embark them 1st turn, then flat out and get shot at first turn?

Without using IA8 and abusing Valkyries as dedicated transports, it's difficult to get a first turn drop in melta range.

You're wrong and I'm correcting you the only reason a unit couldn't start inside a vehicle was if it was a dedicated transport of another squad. If its a FOC choice then you can drop whoever you want in it, so long as the squad/models fit. If you believe otherwise could you quote RAW with page? If so there area LOOOOT of lists on here that are malformed and many tournaments have been played wrong


As for the list I'd drop the hellhounds, unsquadron the Vendettas and add in a little Heavy Support fun and a vehicle for the Psychers.

The Vendettas are not Squadroned, the Hell Hounds are. The reason for the Hell Hounds is they are what makes this list good all around. They have the Multi Meltas in front to assist with armor, or the inferno cannon for swarms. If I were to remove the Hell Hounds and put in, say, some artillery I would have a decently un reliable way to handle swarms. The Hell Hounds guarantee an easy swarm kill each turn.

That s a good call. I mght consider dropping the MM from those hulls though. I personally tried it out and found that the MM is just not reliable enough/I was wanted to target 2 differrent targets, infantry and vehicles. When it should only be focusing on hordes.

With a HHF, you can serious hurt hordes. I have taken out entire squads of genestealers with one hit from a hellhound. Its your call, I recommend trying out both and seeing which you like better.

ZachFTWx wrote:

felixander wrote:

Joshh wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't embark the Vet squads into the Vendettas in the deployment? So you'd need to forgo scouting and embark them 1st turn, then flat out and get shot at first turn?

Without using IA8 and abusing Valkyries as dedicated transports, it's difficult to get a first turn drop in melta range.

You're wrong and I'm correcting you the only reason a unit couldn't start inside a vehicle was if it was a dedicated transport of another squad. If its a FOC choice then you can drop whoever you want in it, so long as the squad/models fit. If you believe otherwise could you quote RAW with page? If so there area LOOOOT of lists on here that are malformed and many tournaments have been played wrong


As for the list I'd drop the hellhounds, unsquadron the Vendettas and add in a little Heavy Support fun and a vehicle for the Psychers.

The Vendettas are not Squadroned, the Hell Hounds are. The reason for the Hell Hounds is they are what makes this list good all around. They have the Multi Meltas in front to assist with armor, or the inferno cannon for swarms. If I were to remove the Hell Hounds and put in, say, some artillery I would have a decently un reliable way to handle swarms. The Hell Hounds guarantee an easy swarm kill each turn.

For that 300 points you could have 4 Griffons which are very accurate and you could start pummeling the enemy from a longer range. Also because of O. barrage rules your two squads of two could lay down some serious pain. Even against MEQ you can force so many armor saves that you can do more damage. While Hellhounds are a lot of fun, I don't know if they'd be your best bet. But trying both will show what you prefer and which can deal more death in your region!

felixander wrote:

ZachFTWx wrote:

felixander wrote:

Joshh wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't embark the Vet squads into the Vendettas in the deployment? So you'd need to forgo scouting and embark them 1st turn, then flat out and get shot at first turn?

Without using IA8 and abusing Valkyries as dedicated transports, it's difficult to get a first turn drop in melta range.

You're wrong and I'm correcting you the only reason a unit couldn't start inside a vehicle was if it was a dedicated transport of another squad. If its a FOC choice then you can drop whoever you want in it, so long as the squad/models fit. If you believe otherwise could you quote RAW with page? If so there area LOOOOT of lists on here that are malformed and many tournaments have been played wrong


As for the list I'd drop the hellhounds, unsquadron the Vendettas and add in a little Heavy Support fun and a vehicle for the Psychers.

The Vendettas are not Squadroned, the Hell Hounds are. The reason for the Hell Hounds is they are what makes this list good all around. They have the Multi Meltas in front to assist with armor, or the inferno cannon for swarms. If I were to remove the Hell Hounds and put in, say, some artillery I would have a decently un reliable way to handle swarms. The Hell Hounds guarantee an easy swarm kill each turn.

For that 300 points you could have 4 Griffons which are very accurate and you could start pummeling the enemy from a longer range. Also because of O. barrage rules your two squads of two could lay down some serious pain. Even against MEQ you can force so many armor saves that you can do more damage. While Hellhounds are a lot of fun, I don't know if they'd be your best bet. But trying both will show what you prefer and which can deal more death in your region!

ill give them a shot. I wasnt aware that Grifs. were that cheap. Plus the O. Barrage would work well with the Weaken Resolve for a total of -7 to the leadership for the pinning check!

ZachFTWx wrote:

felixander wrote:

ZachFTWx wrote:

felixander wrote:

Joshh wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't embark the Vet squads into the Vendettas in the deployment? So you'd need to forgo scouting and embark them 1st turn, then flat out and get shot at first turn?

Without using IA8 and abusing Valkyries as dedicated transports, it's difficult to get a first turn drop in melta range.

You're wrong and I'm correcting you the only reason a unit couldn't start inside a vehicle was if it was a dedicated transport of another squad. If its a FOC choice then you can drop whoever you want in it, so long as the squad/models fit. If you believe otherwise could you quote RAW with page? If so there area LOOOOT of lists on here that are malformed and many tournaments have been played wrong


As for the list I'd drop the hellhounds, unsquadron the Vendettas and add in a little Heavy Support fun and a vehicle for the Psychers.

The Vendettas are not Squadroned, the Hell Hounds are. The reason for the Hell Hounds is they are what makes this list good all around. They have the Multi Meltas in front to assist with armor, or the inferno cannon for swarms. If I were to remove the Hell Hounds and put in, say, some artillery I would have a decently un reliable way to handle swarms. The Hell Hounds guarantee an easy swarm kill each turn.

For that 300 points you could have 4 Griffons which are very accurate and you could start pummeling the enemy from a longer range. Also because of O. barrage rules your two squads of two could lay down some serious pain. Even against MEQ you can force so many armor saves that you can do more damage. While Hellhounds are a lot of fun, I don't know if they'd be your best bet. But trying both will show what you prefer and which can deal more death in your region!

ill give them a shot. I wasnt aware that Grifs. were that cheap. Plus the O. Barrage would work well with the Weaken Resolve for a total of -7 to the leadership for the pinning check!

I've had a guy pull this on my powerblobs. It only took one mortar shot, and he pinned my blob on the first turn of the game. Practically took them out of the entire game, and really screwed my strategy. I would either use them or hydras. Both are ridiculously cheap and you can spam the heck out of them, not to mention the really accurate support fire they'll pump out over the first few critical turns

MrMoustaffa wrote:

ZachFTWx wrote:

felixander wrote:

ZachFTWx wrote:

felixander wrote:

Joshh wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't embark the Vet squads into the Vendettas in the deployment? So you'd need to forgo scouting and embark them 1st turn, then flat out and get shot at first turn?

Without using IA8 and abusing Valkyries as dedicated transports, it's difficult to get a first turn drop in melta range.

You're wrong and I'm correcting you the only reason a unit couldn't start inside a vehicle was if it was a dedicated transport of another squad. If its a FOC choice then you can drop whoever you want in it, so long as the squad/models fit. If you believe otherwise could you quote RAW with page? If so there area LOOOOT of lists on here that are malformed and many tournaments have been played wrong


As for the list I'd drop the hellhounds, unsquadron the Vendettas and add in a little Heavy Support fun and a vehicle for the Psychers.

The Vendettas are not Squadroned, the Hell Hounds are. The reason for the Hell Hounds is they are what makes this list good all around. They have the Multi Meltas in front to assist with armor, or the inferno cannon for swarms. If I were to remove the Hell Hounds and put in, say, some artillery I would have a decently un reliable way to handle swarms. The Hell Hounds guarantee an easy swarm kill each turn.

For that 300 points you could have 4 Griffons which are very accurate and you could start pummeling the enemy from a longer range. Also because of O. barrage rules your two squads of two could lay down some serious pain. Even against MEQ you can force so many armor saves that you can do more damage. While Hellhounds are a lot of fun, I don't know if they'd be your best bet. But trying both will show what you prefer and which can deal more death in your region!

ill give them a shot. I wasnt aware that Grifs. were that cheap. Plus the O. Barrage would work well with the Weaken Resolve for a total of -7 to the leadership for the pinning check!

I've had a guy pull this on my powerblobs. It only took one mortar shot, and he pinned my blob on the first turn of the game. Practically took them out of the entire game, and really screwed my strategy. I would either use them or hydras. Both are ridiculously cheap and you can spam the heck out of them, not to mention the really accurate support fire they'll pump out over the first few critical turns

What were your blobs made up of? I know some blobs like orks have the Mob special rule making them fearless and what not.