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I have the grey knights about 3k points or so and still growing
I love the inquisition and would really love to kind of branch out to the rest of the inquisition and of course the added bonus of my wife loving the models

My question, I've done a ton of reading - the grey knights omnibus - for instance and I loved reading about them - then I read a few posts on dakka and it's been said white dwarf nerf'd them and that they're lackluster 1800+ among other things.

Are the sisters worth a look say over orks or crons or even dark eldar. I'm going to keep going after grey knights but! I would like a break from painting a whole bunch of silver all the time =[

Overall, are the sisters competitive worth the painting and of course worth the money! =D

I'm not going to say that they are not. Its an army that takes some serious getting used to. Its a very tactical army and if you don't have a lot of patients to loose games and learn with it then no. With the new dex you have a lot more options than before but all are expensive right now. I average about 70 to 100 models on the field in 2k games. I think they are really good looking models and I'm excited for them to come out in plastic. If I were you I would wait for that to happen.

Sisters really didn't gain any more options IMO. There are less units in this WD than in the WH codex. Certainly some units gained some effectiveness and one of the new units is absolutely amazing at what it does. They can be effective, but the army does not play as well the more points you play with as you get diminishing returns. The faith powers are gimmicky and don't always work, so its unique mechanic isn't all that impressive. IG orders tend to be better and more reliable.

Spidey is right though. You might want to wait to until they do come out in plastic as at the momenent they are quite expensive to buy. You can't even buy a whole unit of Battlesisters with just boltguns for less than 60 dollars US (its 63.50). Grey Knights at least get all their options with 2 kits and then some for about 66 dollars. Thats a comparable number of models too. If you want options be prepared to spend more on Sisters.

andrewm9 wrote:Sisters really didn't gain any more options IMO. There are less units in this WD than in the WH codex. Certainly some units gained some effectiveness and one of the new units is absolutely amazing at what it does. They can be effective, but the army does not play as well the more points you play with as you get diminishing returns. The faith powers are gimmicky and don't always work, so its unique mechanic isn't all that impressive. IG orders tend to be better and more reliable.

The amount of units is less. Yes but the way the can be configured a lot more than what it used to be. I did a huge amount of 2k list that you could build I think it was like 12 or so lists If you look at it that it is comparable to most dexes in the amount of builds you can make. Each one has a different play style that you will have to master. As for the faith system I have broken this down before. You have to take a mix of units that wont be using Faith all the time. If you are taking 3 ret squads and 3 dominion squads you are asking to be faith starved. If you take 3 Dominion squads and 3 exorcists then you only need to have 3 faith available. Standard 2k WH lists have 9 faith and you need to kill off everything to get them back giving you 18pnts 3 pnts over 5 turns you can have up to 30 faith in five turns or 5 faith average will be 15. Build you lists so you don't rely on its just there to give you bonuses.


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Sisters aren't worth it until they have plastic models. The codex is bland, and while it can be somewhat effective, the army just isn't worth the price tag.

Sisters are currently competitive under 2k. I have not done (or seen) any testing above that level.

So far, very few builds have been successfully used at that point level and not a lot of testing has been done on alternative builds. So they are good (despite what the interwebs say) and there are currently 2 viable builds (double conclave and uriah + celestine) that run 2k or under.

That being said, they are VERY expensive for what you are getting.

If you're waiting for plastic models though, you're going to be waiting a while. I've been waiting for almost 15 years.

pretre wrote:

If you're waiting for plastic models though, you're going to be waiting a while. I've been waiting for almost 15 years.

I feel your pain :(

pretre wrote:Sisters are currently competitive under 2k. I have not done (or seen) any testing above that level.

So far, very few builds have been successfully used at that point level and not a lot of testing has been done on alternative builds. So they are good (despite what the interwebs say) and there are currently 2 viable builds (double conclave and uriah + celestine) that run 2k or under.

Thats my real isse with the codex. I typically like to play at 2000 points. Before with WH the codex was lacklustre at 1000-1500 points. You really needed to be at least 1850 before the codex came into its own IMO. Now the opposite is true. They are lot like the Tau in this case whose sweet spot is similar. In fact when I now play Tau its often a matter of who goes first wins. Not always but often.

That and of course there are no new models. The models are now approaching 15 years old in some cases. Even Tau have newer models for their basic troops and plastic to boot.

I've got a 2k blood angels army I could probably trade to help with costs and I think my local tourneys are at a 2k max.

That said I know it's a longshot (long long LONG shot) but has the rumor mill thrown around an expected date for the plastic?

I don't really know A lot about sisters yet just they're inquisition and I love the models

Do you guys feel like they can handle imp guard meq of any kind and chaos? (that's what our local scene is really)

Gharron wrote:I've got a 2k blood angels army I could probably trade to help with costs and I think my local tourneys are at a 2k max.

I think you underestimate how expensive Sisters are...
1 Troop Squad: 7 Sisters, $36.75, 2 Specials $18.80, 1 Superior $13.25 - $68.8 (Direct Only, no discounts) + $33 Rhino

So basically $100 per squad. You need 2-4 of those to start before getting into any of your killy units like 3x Dominions (2 Specials $18.80 + 2 Girls 10.5 + Superior $13.25 + Immo $35 or $77.5 x3 = 232.5)

So assuming 3 Sisters Squads and 3 Dominions, you're already at $500US. Throw in 3 Exorcists, that's $180. 2 Conclaves + Uriah and Kyrinov, $100. So minimal army (about 1750 - 1850) runs ~$750 new.

That said I know it's a longshot (long long LONG shot) but has the rumor mill thrown around an expected date for the plastic?

It has produced dates for them about once every two years for the last 15. Don't believe it until you see it.

I don't really know A lot about sisters yet just they're inquisition and I love the models

Don't get me wrong, I love them. Just be aware of what you're getting into.

Do you guys feel like they can handle imp guard meq of any kind and chaos? (that's what our local scene is really)

Yes and yes. Chaos doesn't stand a chance if you have two players of equal skill*. Mech guard does pretty well against sisters, that's a rougher matchup for the girls.


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* Yes, this is hyperbole. Keep in mind though that sisters excel against 3+/2+ armies right now with the build that I recommended above.

I cant say this about the other sister players but I feel like a kid in a candy shop. The new dex has given me a new army to play and new builds to master. I never really liked WH and thought it was stupid how the sisters got lumped in there. I would like to see even more units from the supporting types of Orders not sure how that would work but whatever.

I am really enjoying the new dex though, everyone has there opinions about them so if you are serious about them I would proxy the crap out of a list and play test everything then once you are happy with that start buying.

Well I've got 5 rhino-razorbacks I can use I've got 18 bikes with 2 attack bikes 35 Assault marines mephiston and some terminators which I hope I could get a start with

Hmm I live the Celestine model

But overall it seems like the sisters are worth a try especially since the wife loves them and with the assassins and other things I have for my henchman they can translate over

Cost is going to suck though :(

Yeah, if you already have DCA from a gk army, that'll soften the blow a bit. Although DCA/Crusaders are the cheapest part of the army under my construction methods.

Razorbacks you can convert, although the Immolator kit is well worth the money. (Make sure to buy the Immo kit even for your Rhinos.)

Gharron wrote:Well I've got 5 rhino-razorbacks I can use I've got 18 bikes with 2 attack bikes 35 Assault marines mephiston and some terminators which I hope I could get a start with

Hmm I live the Celestine model

But overall it seems like the sisters are worth a try especially since the wife loves them and with the assassins and other things I have for my henchman they can translate over

Cost is going to suck though :(

I would start with a basic build, then start working in/rotating different units in till you have a hang of them. You should have at least 40 just set aside for troops either 2 big 20 man squads or 3 ro 4 10mans in rhinos or how ever you want to play them.

Then start with 3 exorcist list, 3 Retributers list then a mix of 2 and 1 1 and 2 . Dominions will be in two forms immolator 5 man or rhino 10 man squads. I like big Seraphim squads personally but you can do what ever you want there. I wouldn't recommend playing the canoness until you are really comfortable with how the sisters work because their tactics are a lot different than the base model of the standard net list is.

I agree with pretre. Honestly if I was to be starting sisters new I don't know if I could afford them. But having collected them over the last 13 years my 3k army (which actually was dropped to 2k with the WD dex) is quite a lot of fun.

With you having 5 rhino that saves you a good bit of cash. I don't know how many DCA and crusaders you have but you basically need to make up a group of 9 out of them. I actually use an inquisitor model as my "jacobus" because I loved the WH inquisitors and hate most the priest models. You say you like Saint Celestine too.

So how about this for a starting point.

Jacobus and friends+ rhino (you already have)
2x basic troop choices (140$)
Their Rhinos (you already have)
Saint celestine (20$)
3x Dominion squads (125$)
Their Immolators/Rhinos (you need 1 for 33$)
3 exorcists or 2+retributors (180-190$)

So about 500$ for a 1650 point army. Its not cheap by any means. Something you might want to do as well. Buy stormbolter sisters instead of sister superiors. You can then have your stormbolters be combi-weapons. They are 2.30$ cheaper than a sister superior is, and since you are giving them a weapon they use up more points.

I was able to Ebay alot of my sisters you just have to buy smart.

Gharron wrote:I have the grey knights about 3k points or so and still growing
I love the inquisition and would really love to kind of branch out to the rest of the inquisition and of course the added bonus of my wife loving the models

My question, I've done a ton of reading - the grey knights omnibus - for instance and I loved reading about them - then I read a few posts on dakka and it's been said white dwarf nerf'd them and that they're lackluster 1800+ among other things.

Are the sisters worth a look say over orks or crons or even dark eldar. I'm going to keep going after grey knights but! I would like a break from painting a whole bunch of silver all the time =[

Overall, are the sisters competitive worth the painting and of course worth the money! =D

No, they're too expensive, only single pose metal models that are over a decade old and have a limited number of units compared to other armies. Haven't played them so can't comment.

If your wife really wants an army with female models or a more 'feminine' army then I would probably look at the Craftworld Eldar. If your wifes down with the whole Dark Eldar thing then by all means they can by used. Both those armies can be made different sexes and the ascetic is much less masculine IMO. Compared to eight foot demi-god knights, vicious monsters and daemonic gods...except Slannesh.

I think I'm going to give sisters a whirl. I'm gonna put my blood angels up for trade and hope I get a bite.

My wife is gonna be upset but I think overall once we get them see how much the army is going to cost it might change her mind about the trade.

I don't know if you guys have played the 40k strat games but do the sisters have the giant angel as a model - it's kinda like the chaos daemon prince or bloodthirster.

If I painted up the rhino/razorback like as a mix of gk/sisters do you think I could use them for both armies? I would magentize any different weapons I could put on the tanks and use them as any normal tank just wondering if paint will make a big difference between the two armies.

I saw a list up top and someone posted a link but is the type of army I'm going to have to spam certain units to win or I'm just totally boned?

Also, how fun are they to paint? Can you do some cool conversions with them?

Sorry for all the stupid questions I just don't see many sisters threads or lists or anything really on dakka and I'll start googling things now XD

Gharron wrote:I think I'm going to give sisters a whirl. I'm gonna put my blood angels up for trade and hope I get a bite.

My wife is gonna be upset but I think overall once we get them see how much the army is going to cost it might change her mind about the trade.

I don't know if you guys have played the 40k strat games but do the sisters have the giant angel as a model - it's kinda like the chaos daemon prince or bloodthirster.

If I painted up the rhino/razorback like as a mix of gk/sisters do you think I could use them for both armies? I would magentize any different weapons I could put on the tanks and use them as any normal tank just wondering if paint will make a big difference between the two armies.

I saw a list up top and someone posted a link but is the type of army I'm going to have to spam certain units to win or I'm just totally boned?

Also, how fun are they to paint? Can you do some cool conversions with them?

Sorry for all the stupid questions I just don't see many sisters threads or lists or anything really on dakka and I'll start googling things now XD

No, they do not have the 50ft angel woman. They have a regular sized living saint called Celestine who has pretty good rules and cannot actually die. Can potentially keep resurecting on the battlefield.

Gharron wrote:I think I'm going to give sisters a whirl. I'm gonna put my blood angels up for trade and hope I get a bite.

My wife is gonna be upset but I think overall once we get them see how much the army is going to cost it might change her mind about the trade.

I don't know if you guys have played the 40k strat games but do the sisters have the giant angel as a model - it's kinda like the chaos daemon prince or bloodthirster.

If I painted up the rhino/razorback like as a mix of gk/sisters do you think I could use them for both armies? I would magentize any different weapons I could put on the tanks and use them as any normal tank just wondering if paint will make a big difference between the two armies.

I saw a list up top and someone posted a link but is the type of army I'm going to have to spam certain units to win or I'm just totally boned?

Also, how fun are they to paint? Can you do some cool conversions with them?

Sorry for all the stupid questions I just don't see many sisters threads or lists or anything really on dakka and I'll start googling things now XD

Conversions are possible but its an all metal army so conversions are a pain.

As far as magnitizing Razorbacks into Immolators, both come with drsatically different weapon load out options so your either stuck scratch building a models worth of weapons or buying either a razorback or immolator and the other sprue. In my opinion this isn't worth it.

On a side not Sisters of Battle are not part of the inquisition they belong to the Eclisiarchy.

Conversions just require a touch more patience than normal. The easier ones would be those with arms outstretched rather than holding the gun to their chest. Then you are still somewhat limited.

You could just magnetise the raised top part, though I'd rather have them as SoB Rhinos/Immolators. You'd still need to buy two kits to do it pretty much unless you brought the Razorback weapons separately from somewhere else.

I'm gonna use this with pegasus wings as my saint celestine





(wierdly I converted that model as a daemon prince lol)

Gharron wrote:I think I'm going to give sisters a whirl. I'm gonna put my blood angels up for trade and hope I get a bite.

My wife is gonna be upset but I think overall once we get them see how much the army is going to cost it might change her mind about the trade.

I don't know if you guys have played the 40k strat games but do the sisters have the giant angel as a model - it's kinda like the chaos daemon prince or bloodthirster.

If I painted up the rhino/razorback like as a mix of gk/sisters do you think I could use them for both armies? I would magentize any different weapons I could put on the tanks and use them as any normal tank just wondering if paint will make a big difference between the two armies.

I saw a list up top and someone posted a link but is the type of army I'm going to have to spam certain units to win or I'm just totally boned?

Also, how fun are they to paint? Can you do some cool conversions with them?

Sorry for all the stupid questions I just don't see many sisters threads or lists or anything really on dakka and I'll start googling things now XD

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/434801.page

We talk a lot about strategies and I have posted quite a few builds here.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/381650861862946/

I have a bunch of my Figures here if you want to take a look at the range of models. I think I have at least one of everything LOL...

I find converting difficult but not impossible. You just have to be patient and add things that spruce up but I wouldn't try and thing seriously over the top. And even though they are a old models I always get complements on how great the army looks when I take them to GTs. So dont' let that deter you either. There is an incredible amount of detail on each one of the figure and if you really wanted to get crazy you could spend a couple hours on each figure.

I dunno if this is gonna happen lol ebay doesn't have much =[ this is looking like 1k for 2k points =/

you have to look at Witch Hunter listings also. Barter town and if you really want you can order them from GW(last case scenario) but they will do runs of them if you order. Usually takes about 3 weeks.

Bartertown? What's that? O.o