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Anyone having issues fighting one of these?

Everytime I encounter one of these, it's Armor Piercing ability really hurts my Heavy Warjack's and it is very difficult for me to get in there for a first strike. Its affinity rule with Asphyxious gives it a FA at the end of activation which makes it very hard to catch.

Eg. Canker Bonejack allocated with 3 focus makes a charge (1 focus) with threat of 9.5 inches.

1. Makes a hit check and scores, then makes boosted damage roll (1 focus) , due to Armor Piercing my armor is now 10 he scores eg. 11 + 6 + 5 +3 + 3 = 10 - 28 = 18 damage
2. He now makes second attack with his tail he scores eg. 11 + 3 + 4 = 10 - 18 = 8 damage
3. Finally he makes a extra attack (1 focus) scoring a eg. 13 + 4 +2 = 10 - 19 = 9 damage

I believe that's a dead heavy Warjack! Never had the chance to get close enough to do any damage with a threat range of 7.5 inches.

Loon

The only attack that is armor piercing it the first attack from the bite (power 11) as its a special attack. Its a great jack, but whoever you are playing against is doing it wrong as those last 2 attacks did 0 damage since its armor 20 and the first attack did 2 less dmg with a great dmg roll.

Make sure to notice when people are using special attacks wrong. A special attack (star attack) replaces ALL initial attacks. The only ALWAYS(not a special attack its an effect on the weapon) armor piercing models in the game are the behemoths fists and a hunters rifle I believe.

Also notice its on a SINGLE weapon, meaning the power 13 can not use the armor piercing. Different weapons can have different special attacks, but you can only use one as it replaces all the initial attacks.

Any attack bought focus is a "normal" attack, this not an initial. Many feats specify free normal attacks, you can't use these as a special attack.

A special attack can be done on a charge, it can not be done if the weapon is damaged.

Going even further as your focus is done wrong. A Cankerworm with 3 focus.

Spends 1 to charge(this boosts the dmg on the FIRST attack, that attack can be a special attack).

After that attack the Cankerworm has 2 focus left to buy attacks(assuming it didn't boost to hit). Bought attacks are normal like i said above.

It can buy a bite(this can't be armor piercing again as its a normal attack) for power 11, but most likely you wouldn't. Instead you would buy a replicator attack since its power 13. You can boost to hit or dmg with your last focus or buy another power 13.

Thats all 3 focus, usually only 1 ever since you can charge and spending 2 focus on power 13's isn't worth the focus usually.
1 on charge for the armor piercing

Also the first melee attack out of a charge is boosted damage so he wasted focus there.

Sorry about that! I should of added the extra die for the charge so in effect it was 4 dices, Let me edit it back up!

loongor wrote:Sorry about! I should of added the extra die for the charge so in effect it was 4 dices, Let me edit it back up!

So charging boosts the dmg...a roll can only ever be BOOSTED once, so you can't spend more focus and boost the charge attack as its boosted from being a charge attack.

Can't boost a charge.

Charge, I'd boost the attack roll, but that's me:

Armor Piercing - armor is now 10

P+S 11 + (6 + 5 +3) = 24 pts of damage. That's 14 boxes.

Second attack (full ARM)

P+S 11 + (3 + 4) = 18 points of damage. That's 0 boxes.

I would have boosted the damage roll of the second attack,
maybe getting 1-2 extra damage boxes.


As you can see, Cankerworm vs. heavy khador 'jack =
scratching paint.

malfred wrote:Can't boost a charge.

Charge, I'd boost the attack roll, but that's me:

Armor Piercing - armor is now 10

P+S 11 + (6 + 5 +3) = 24 pts of damage. That's 14 boxes.

Second attack (full ARM)

P+S 11 + (3 + 4) = 18 points of damage. That's 0 boxes.

I would have boosted the damage roll of the second attack,
maybe getting 1-2 extra damage boxes.


As you can see, Cankerworm vs. heavy khador 'jack =
scratching paint.

I think that equation actually winds up equaling broken dead Cankerworm, but I'll check my math

Thank you all for clearing it all up! I'll keep in mind that charges cannot be boosted.

Is this running with the Iron Lich or the Lich Lord? I love me my Canker Spanks with the Iron Lich. Scything Touch the worm, Parasite the target, and BAM! Effective pow26 Bite and pow18 Replicator attacks vs a Khador heavy. Don't boost to hit, you only need threes to hit them, and Never charge if you can get there by walking.

And yes, the free move plus the worm's immunity to free strikes makes him very fun. Not to mention when you actually get to pull off a nice Salvage.

I have to say the Canker Bonejack is fairly cost efficient for 5 points and has some great utilities. I might have to throw in some Exemplar Errants and might make a Warcaster switch to Epic Kreoss!

Errants plus UA will drive your Cryx opponents mad, trust me. And if you Really want to tick them off, throw in Rhuppert to make em Tough.

loongor wrote:Thank you all for clearing it all up! I'll keep in mind that charges cannot be boosted.

More accurately the damage roll on a charge is attack is automatically boosted, and you can only boost once. I think this would only be relevant if you were dealing with rules that somehow cared about boosts (are there any like that?) but it's worth nothing.

Out of curiosity has anyone every reached 5 dices for damage rolls?

For example.

A unit with Weapon Master charges while Epic Kreoss uses his feat = 3 dice on damage roll due to charge + 1 dice for weapon master + 1dice for feat = 5 dice on damage roll?

/would someone be kind enough to clarify this for me.

Cheers Loon

4 dice.

epic kreoss doesn't give dice for the feat.

Thank you

I rechecked his feat and must of misread, his feat is auto hit + extra melee attak, my bad.

Cheers

loongor wrote:Out of curiosity has anyone every reached 5 dices for damage rolls?

For example.

A unit with Weapon Master charges while Epic Kreoss uses his feat = 3 dice on damage roll due to charge + 1 dice for weapon master + 1dice for feat = 5 dice on damage roll?

/would someone be kind enough to clarify this for me.

Cheers Loon

I have gotten 5 dice on a damage roll... pButcher feat turn (not just him, but any weapon master)... 2d6 + 1 for weapon master + 1 for Charge + 1 for feat = 5d6

I believe Lord Carver will let you get up to five dice as well.

On the skorne side, Xerxis has beaten me up with his additional dice on melee damage. Mass destruction then I can't hurt him back :(

I'm still trying to max out Reznik's dice rolls

1. Reznik or SoH weapons have purgation = +1 die on to hit and +1 die on dmg rolls against units with upkeep spells,

2. So eg. I cast engine of destruction (for more damage) I make a charge (12" Threat) = to hit would be 2 dice + 1 die from purgation + 1 die if boosted = 4 dice (sure hit!)

3. To damage would be = 2 dice + purgation 1 die + 1 more die due to charge = 4 dice (insane damage for one round)

This could potentially do a maximum of 42 dmg in 1 round (P&S 18 + 4 dice max at 24) = dead Canker worm!

Don't think I can push 5 dice x_x

Crowe's Cutthroats on a charge at the rear of a warbeast did 5dice. Sad panda. I think the first guy dropped it.

Nagashek wrote:Crowe's Cutthroats on a charge at the rear of a warbeast did 5dice. Sad panda. I think the first guy dropped it.

Now give them Valachev and Butcher's Feat and roll 6.

Rare, but possible.

loongor wrote:Out of curiosity has anyone every reached 5 dices for damage rolls?

For example.

A unit with Weapon Master charges while Epic Kreoss uses his feat = 3 dice on damage roll due to charge + 1 dice for weapon master + 1dice for feat = 5 dice on damage roll?

/would someone be kind enough to clarify this for me.

Cheers Loon

pIrusk can do this all day long. battle lust a manhunter gives it a pwr 11+5d6 and a second pwr11+4d6 on a charge. thats just a spell too. imagine the look on a legion player's face when a 2 point manhunter drops thier scythean or nearly slaughters typhon singlehandedly. also - great bears with battle lust and backswing is scary.

KingKodo wrote:

loongor wrote:Out of curiosity has anyone every reached 5 dices for damage rolls?

For example.

A unit with Weapon Master charges while Epic Kreoss uses his feat = 3 dice on damage roll due to charge + 1 dice for weapon master + 1dice for feat = 5 dice on damage roll?

/would someone be kind enough to clarify this for me.

Cheers Loon

pIrusk can do this all day long. battle lust a manhunter gives it a pwr 11+5d6 and a second pwr11+4d6 on a charge. thats just a spell too. imagine the look on a legion player's face when a 2 point manhunter drops thier scythean or nearly slaughters typhon singlehandedly. also - great bears with battle lust and backswing is scary.

In that case, he also can do this to Valachev with Croe's backstab charging a living model.

6d6