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So i was going through the codex after reading a bunch of tactics guidsand put together a list trying to see if people will think its competitive.

HQ- 235
-Haemonculus
-wwp

-Baron Sathonyx

elites- 280

-5x kabalite trueborn
-blaster
-5 haywire grenades
(venom)

-5x kabalite trueborn
-blaster
-5 haywire grenades
(venom)

troops- 321

-10 warriors
-1 blaster
(raider)

-9 warriors ( w/ the haemonculus)
-1 blaster
(raider)

fast attack- 282

-5x hellians ( w/ Baron Sathonyx)

-3 reavers
-blaster
-cluster caltrops

-3 reavers
-blaster
-cluster caltrops

heavy support- 375

-ravager (2 dark lance)
-disibtegrator cannon
-ns
-ff

-ravager (2 dark lance)
-disibtegrator cannon
-ns
-ff

-ravager (2 dark lance)
-disibtegrator cannon
-ns
-ff


This is 1494 points. I really don't think the wwp is worth it, but i don't know if i should drop the whole unit or re equip him with maybe a dark gate? Also any other tips or tricks would be great help. This mainly will face csm, sm, and necrons. Thankyou for all your guys time and help.

superthe wrote: -Haemonculus -wwp

Ought to have an offensive toy. Liquifier being best.

superthe wrote:-5x kabalite trueborn
-blaster
-5 haywire grenades
(venom)

-5x kabalite trueborn
-blaster
-5 haywire grenades
(venom)

Skip the haywires and reduce to 4 dudes, *all* having blasters. Their Armor 5+ means *trying* to stay away from assaulting vehicles.

superthe wrote:-10 warriors
-1 blaster
(raider)

-9 warriors ( w/ the haemonculus)
-1 blaster
(raider)

Their guns are so short ranged, the NS will be over reached every time, so I'd toss those in favor of Splinter racks. Or toss those altogether for more dakka else where, like more hellions.

superthe wrote:-5x hellians ( w/ Baron Sathonyx)

The Baron really needs more friends.

superthe wrote:-3 reavers
-blaster
-cluster caltrops

-3 reavers
-blaster
-cluster caltrops

Do ya have anything to replace these guys?

superthe wrote:-ravager (2 dark lance)
-disibtegrator cannon
-ns
-ff

-ravager (2 dark lance)
-disibtegrator cannon
-ns
-ff

-ravager (2 dark lance)
-disibtegrator cannon
-ns
-ff

The Disintegrators are good against footy armies, but Necron vehicle armor is 13 (Quantum Shielding), and you're gonna want more than the 10 lances to bang the Annihilation or Cmd. Barges likely to ruin your day (they do reduce it to 12 as per normal Lance rules). And there's the Mono to deal with, yes?

So, if you know the enemy lists well, and there's only an Annih barge, then okay, but if there's lotsa tanks, I'd have at least one Rav with DLs.

superthe wrote:This is 1494 points. I really don't think the wwp is worth it,

The Baron and Hellions don't need a WWP. There's not enough h2h units (wyches) to warrant it.

HQ- 210
-Haemonculus
-lg

-Baron Sathonyx

elites- 290

-4x kabalite trueborn
-4 x blaster
(venom)

-4x kabalite trueborn
-4x blaster
(venom)

troops- 341

-10 warriors
-1 blaster
(raider)
ff

-9 warriors ( w/ the haemonculus)
-1 blaster
(raider)
ff

fast attack- 282

-5x hellians ( w/ Baron Sathonyx)

-3 reavers
-blaster
-cluster caltrops

-3 reavers
-blaster
-cluster caltrops

heavy support- 375

-ravager (3 dark lance)
-ns
-ff

-ravager (3 dark lance)
-ns
-ff

-ravager (3 dark lance)
-ns
-ff

1498

now i dont know what to drop to get more helliansshould i drop a whole squad of trueborn or maybe a ravager? or the haemonculus all together but i like the starting pain tokens from him.

ps i just kinda like the revers

superthe wrote:-ravager (3 dark lance)-ns -ff

NS may or might not be essential. I rarely use 'em.

superthe wrote:now i dont know what to drop to get more helliansshould i drop a whole squad of trueborn or maybe a ravager? or the haemonculus all together but i like the starting pain tokens from him.

ps i just kinda like the revers

You may like the reavers, but they're the most logical choice to drop, *not* your best anti-T, the Trublaster venom and ravs.

A Pain Token for Kabalites is icing, not as crucial as FNP for wyches. Drop the haem at least.

My advice - drop the night shields on your ravagers and the cluster caltrops on your reavers, you'll get very little use out of either upgrade. I would also swap the reaver's blasters for heat lances.

Next is if you're only having a blaster in each warrior squad, drop them to the minimum 5 guys and put them in the venoms and put the trueborn in the raiders (blasterborn venom is stupidly dangerous, but is also a squishy AV10 package that your opponent will devote the first turn to dropping (assuming they're not a moron ).

Use the pts saved to either beef up your hellion squad (baron needs more friends ) or add an extra haemy and swap the liq gun for hexrifles on both of them and start both trueborn squads with FNP.

HQ- 165
-Haemonculus
-lg

-Baron Sathonyx

elites- 326

-4x kabalite trueborn (w/ the haemonculus)
-4 x blaster
(raider + ff)

-4x kabalite trueborn
-4x blaster
(raider + ff)

troops- 230

-5 warriors
-1 blaster
(venom)

-5 warriors
-1 blaster
(venom)

fast attack- 346

-15x hellians ( w/ Baron Sathonyx)

-3 reavers
-heat lance
-cluster caltrops

heavy support- 345

-ravager (3 dark lance)
-ff

-ravager (3 dark lance)
-ff

-ravager (3 dark lance)
-ff


1412 total

now i have an extra 88 points was thinking what to take maybe a squad of 4 scourge but don't really know if they are competitive. Or a troop of mandrakes(again just think they are really cool looking)

superthe wrote:1412 total

now i have an extra 88 points was thinking what to take maybe a squad of 4 scourge but don't really know if they are competitive. Or a troop of mandrakes(again just think they are really cool looking)

Neither are competitive.

88 is to low for anything effective.

I sometimes run a min Kabalite Warrior, walk in from Reserves scorer. They often are just an extra Kill Point.

Maybe another liqui-haem?

If I take an extra heam will he go in the same squad as the other? Plus I don't understand the ruling so much would I get an extra 3 pain tokens to allocate?

Sathonyx' shtick is using Hellions as Troops, remember; I'd advise taking at least one large Hellion unit to take advantage of his rules.

Well he's with 15 hellions so I figured I may need more anti infintrie units but not sure what to grab maybe another small squad of hellions?