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I'm trying to style my army in the footslogging take all comers fashion, right now i'm at 1762 points with this list, and I'm looking to expand to 2000 points. That leaves me with 238 points to acquire. I was considering getting a flight of wraiths, or maybe some annihilation barges, but I was hoping to get everyone's opinion on it.
I currently have to field



Again, any input is welcome, cheers!

yea drop the monlith and get a doomsday ark much better and gives you range.

Perhaps, but it only gets that range and power if it holds still. Doing that also loses me a net of 25 points. How should I fill it out then?


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Anyone else wanna help me out?

add more warriors.

Never a bad idea.
I could get two blobs of 20 each with a res orb lord with those points.
The amount of dakka would be...impressive.

If you're footslogging, an HQ with Phaeron might be worth while.

This list doesn't seem to have a real focus, though. For foot slogging, you don't really have a way to get up in their face alive and your unit sizes are all pretty small for something that is going to get shot at constantly.

@Saptilladarky
well, this is a 1762 point list right now, and I'm looking for suggestions to expand to 2000
But yeah, Phaeron might not be a bad idea.

Needs more troops, Immortals are very worth their points. I'd drop the veil-tek and add in Vargard Obyron. Put him with the lychguard,trust me try it for a few games (his model isnt out yet so just model something) you will not regret it. Drop the monolith (as a general rule have either lots of vehicles or none at all). Royal courts are pretty good too, three layouts i like is a cc one with lots of warscythes, lance spam and the haywire staffs. Scarabs dude, you definitely have some they come with the warriors, when a 90 point unit kills a land raider first turn you'll thank me. Again MOAR TROOPS! Not bad tho.

Two boxes of tesla immortals, and obyron, and more scarabs?
I kinda like the sound of that, maybe some more lords/ crypteks
Anyone think maybe picking up some Annihilation barges might work as well?

Barges are great. Cheap as chips and provide a good deal of firepower. Probably one of the best choices HS wise for crons if you're not scarab farming or anything

What I am thinking right now.
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HQ
Overlord w/ Scythe, Weave, Shifter, MSS
Royal Court
x2 Lords with MSS, Scythe, Orb


Troops
x2 squads of 15 warriors
x1 squad of 6 warriors


Elites
C'tan w/ Pyreshards, Gaze of death
x5 sword and board Lychguard


Heavy support
Monolith
x2 Annihilation Barge

Fast Attack
5 Destroyers (3 Heavy)
6 Bases of scarabs

leaves me with a few points to spare, maybe another scarab base or two

Honestly I'd kinda think about changing a couple core things you have here. For Lychguard to really work, you gotta make them death star or nothing. Another great trick for foot slogged is to take advantage of how we can manipulate Night Fighting. A couple Solar Pulses or Immo can get you in their face before they can get a good chance to fire on you.

Another unit great unit that works extremely well in, well, every cron list are Wraiths. Super fast, very durable and can give your foot slogging army another distraction it might need to move forward.

Also, your one Monolith screams kill me. Your opponent doesn't really have to make any hard choices by it being there by itself.

Just some random thoughts there.

Saptilladerky wrote: Honestly I'd kinda think about changing a couple core things you have here. For Lychguard to really work, you gotta make them death star or nothing. Another great trick for foot slogged is to take advantage of how we can manipulate Night Fighting. A couple Solar Pulses or Immo can get you in their face before they can get a good chance to fire on you.

Another unit great unit that works extremely well in, well, every cron list are Wraiths. Super fast, very durable and can give your foot slogging army another distraction it might need to move forward.

Also, your one Monolith screams kill me. Your opponent doesn't really have to make any hard choices by it being there by itself.

Just some random thoughts there.

This guy knows what he's talking about. If I were you I'd have NO heavy support, why? Because if you only have one-two vehicles, all the anti-tank will go right at them. If you have no vehicles all the las-cannons and melta guns go mostly wasted. Foot slogging necrons are very viable, go with that. If you're worried about not having enough mobility you can buy lots of veils, in my experience they're usually worth it, if you want two take obyron and an overlord with the lychguard for a bona fide deathstar and veiltek, if you need three take the nemesor and another veiltek, its alot of points in Hq but it's a very tricky very versatile build. SERIOUSLY USE OBYRON! He's a god damn beast I'm telling you he regularly makes back twice his points. Wraiths are great tho you might want to wait for the new models to come out, they look pretty sweet from the pic in the codex. If you have veil-teks build the immortals as guass, they're stronger at close range and ap 4 is great for the likes of eldar, genestealers, fish commies and a whole bunch of others nasties. Crypteks are pretty cool guys, the shoot at tanks long range and doesn't afraid of anything. you can make em with the remains from the lychguard box and some warriors.

I could drop the monolith, and use the points from it to grab another 5 lychguard.
I could also drop the two annihilation barges to get Obyron I think points wise, and still keep the warrior blobs as large as they are in the second list.

I run a similar list to yours at 1500 right now, and have my expansion pretty well planned once stalkers come out.

Overlord- MSS/Orb/Weave/Phaeron/Scythe (warrior blob)
Court:
Despairtek- Veil (deathmarks)
Destrotek- Pluse (warrior blob)


Overlord 2- MSS/Orb/Weave/Phaeron/Scythe (deathmarks)
Court:
Despairtek- Veil (scoring warriors)
Destrotek- Pluse (ghost ark)

5x deathmarks

14x warrior blob
5x warriors in a ghost ark
5x warriors in reserve (scoring)

2x Annibarge
Monolith

Haven't lost yet. The overlord in the deathmarks unit adds a TON of survivability. They all stand up on a 4+, MSS, power wep attacks... yes it makes it a super-juicy target, but relentless is awesome. I can almost always wipe my 2+ target out the moment they land. Have to be super-smart with where you land them, though, to not get charged too hard (as long as you don't get overwhelmed, they're a super-effective tar pit).

My next expansion will be when stalkers come out (2 of those will be added). I may add more warriors or even drop the monolith to add scarab farming into the shenanigans.You could easily convert the lychguard into more crypteks (solar pulse is the best thing in game imo), and the destroyers would help with the lack of anti-tank my list currently has (which is why I will be adding stalkers).

Use your c'tan to support your monolith (and vice-versa) and they'll do fine.

If you're thinking of anni barges then go for it. They're awesome.

Ghost arks are also freakishly good in heavy warrior lists. But they are an unholy pain to assemble (if you plan on painting them at any level beyond beginner).

I'd shy away from doomsday cannons. Played with my ghost ark as one for two matches and hated it both times. Never seemed to repay its huge cost.

If your list was out to win I'd drop the c'tan; take more warriors, and get 2 anni barges + ark. c'tans just seem so expensive, and i've had maybe only 2 games where my c'tan has earned its points back... then again I use it a lot becuase of how iconic and entertaining the nightbringer is.


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Imohtek is also really, really good. forgot to mention that. His model is also one of the best individual necrons too, imo.

This is what I am considering now, after some thought, and I will explain why after the list.
What I am thinking right now.
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HQ
Overlord w/ Scythe, Weave, Shifter, Orb, MSS
Royal Court
x2 Lords with MSS, Scythe, Orb
x2 Crypteks x1 veiltek x1 solar pulse + lance


Troops
x2 squads of 13 warriors
x1 squad of 5 warriors


Elites
C'tan w/ Pyreshards, Gaze of death
x6 sword and board Lychguard x4 scytheguard

Heavy support
Monolith

Fast Attack
5 Destroyers (3 Heavy)
5 Bases of scarabs

After giving it some thought, I started looking at what I intend everything to do, and reasoned out that this would be a strong list (at least in theory)
Overlord goes with lychguard as a deathstar unit w/ veiltek, or alternatively, can be used to contest objectives late game.

Cryptek w/ pulse and lance goes with one warrior blob, providing night fighting against enemies I can't out-range, and a strength 8 shot to try and pop transports with the destroyers
1 Res orb lord in each large warrior blob, aiding their survivability in melee, scythes and MSS, and at range via RP bonus

I have two warrior blobs to advance and lay down curtains of fire, thin out regular infantry
I have one squad to hold natural objectives in cover or near a deployment zone

I have a very strong melee unit, with 5 units hitting at strength 7 with 12 attacks on the charge, and 18 attacks at strength 5, resulting in whole squad wipes against anything that has the misfortune of not having an invuln save, not counting attacks from the Cryptek and OL, and have plenty of invuln saves themselves from the shields and OL to increase survivability

Destroyers are mobile, and can pop tanks at range
Scarabs can also counter tanks
Monolith serves as a strong fire magnet and support unit for the warriors while they advance up the field (this is my intention)
C'tan can counter other monstrous creatures, tanks or elite troops.


The only kind of list I can really think i'd have no great answer for, would be fully-mechanized lists, which I would likely need to adapt to by adding scarabs, and taking away lychguard.

iGuy91 wrote:
x6 sword and board Lychguard x4 scytheguard

So there are 10 of them? You cannot mix weapons for lychguard

You can't? If thats the case, I will be revising that, but yeah I was hoping to do ten, and mix weapons. Like every other unit in the game can, why not them?



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Okay, Can't mix weapons for lychguard. (why is beyond me, everyone else in the game can do so almost on a whim.)
That changes some things
Dropped the extra lychguard, bumped up the warriors added, added a scarab base, and two annihilation barges


HQ
Overlord w/ Scythe, Weave, Shifter, MSS
Royal Court
x2 Lords with MSS, Scythe, Orb


Troops
x2 squads of 15 warriors
x1 squad of 6 warriors


Elites
C'tan w/ Pyreshards, Gaze of death
x5 sword and board Lychguard


Heavy support
Monolith
x2 Annihilation Barge w/ tesla cannons

Fast Attack
5 Destroyers (3 Heavy)
6 Bases of scarabs

1 HQ w/ 2 Royal Court
2 Elites
3 Troops
2 Fast attack
3 Heavy support

iGuy91 wrote:Like every other unit in the game can, why not them?

A lot of the cron dex cannot mix and match

Immortals must either have Gauss Blasters or Telsa Carbines
Triarch Praetorians must either have Rods or Voidblades
Tomb Blades must either have Telsa Carbines, Gauss Blasters, or Particle Beamers

Obviously just whining because there aint anything i can do about it.
Jealous of marines atm a bit, but life continues

Anyone else have a major idea to expand the force, I have a game this weekend to try it out.

drop the monlith and get more troops. you need atleast 4 to get any sort of masscare in any tourament. sonce you cant comabt squad like marines. you willl have a hard time with 4 but it is doable. with thre they scream come kill me. which is what most people will do. aleast those who play the mission. The reason for this is because once your troops are gone at best you can contest their objectives at worst they will wipe you due to numbers.

I mean, currently i am taking more warriors, 12 more to be precise currently. Would it be better to get even MORE warriors? or perhaps break the warriors into 4 squads.
Currently i'm running them in three squads to best utilize the res orbs on my royal court. I could easily enough do two squads of 12 and two squads of 6.

By the same logic, I can use my units to kill off the units seeking to nuke my troops, and attack theirs.

Hey mate,

I have only played about 10 games all up with the new crons but footslogging tactics i can assist with, there is a lot of carry over from Ork's suprisingly...

With the foot slogging lists i have experimented this is what i have found with Crons:

- If your footslogging less Mech is better, no Mech is best.
You negate your opponents dedicated anti mech units if they have to use las cannons, dark lances etc against units. Poping a tank is at minimum 100 points, popping a warrior...13 points?
If you can make it so you have no Mech then they just wasted a butload of points for nothing. You can still run 10 S9 AP2 Cryptek's with 2 lords (180 pts + 35 per tek) and you have multiple las cannon eq's in each squad for bugger all... (also $35 ea but then converting is fun right?!) This shores up your anti mech and negates your opponents points spent in melta upgrades, las cannons, Darklances etc

-You dont have to kill your opponents Mech just disable it, cant move, cant shoot is the same as BOOM!
Focused Gauss can do this with ease, Destrotecks can do it even easilier (and cant be singled out) not sure easilier is a word.... [

b]-Phaeron is amazing when slogging, not absolutly auto inc but great anyhow.[/b]
Move and shoot is a pain with slogging crons outside of rapid fire. Phaerons, negate this. Failing that Immortals are worth it.

-More in a unit is better.
Royal court lord with Res orb is the same cost as 5 warriors. With reanimation protocals being what it is (units destroyed cannot come back from the dead!) more warriors is better. I prefer +5 warriors over one lord that has a gakky range. This works best against shooting definatly and this means you may need...

-Counter Assault.
Wraiths. just.. Wraiths. keep a unit of 3 or so behind a unit of 20 warriors. If the warriors get charged jump over and counter charge. Most times in my xp, you win. Remember with whipcoils and the Wraiths large base you dont need 3 coils, 2 does just fine. T4, 2W and 3+ always means they save and are far harder to kill then they appear on paper. Sadly imo it beats out our elite 200 point for 5 units that are dedicated CC in our army (im looking at you lychguards and Praetorians).

3 Wraiths with 2 whip coils.. 125 points. 6 Wounds, S6 rending 4A on charge Inv 3+ move though cover etc.
5 Wraiths with 3 whip coils.. 205 points. 10 Wounds, S6 rending 4A on charge Inv 3+ move though cover etc.

Wraiths Pwnt elites!

Biggest points to take away and ive been thinking about it.

Run large units of warriors at Max with 2x overlords and as many destro crypteks you can pay for. Back it up with Counter CC and you will do well against everything excepting template spam.

Even then, as an Ork i can tell you, Spacing will save you a hell of a lot of dead (come back to life) Necrons

dao wrote:
-More in a unit is better.
Royal court lord with Res orb is the same cost as 5 warriors. With reanimation protocals being what it is (units destroyed cannot come back from the dead!) more warriors is better. I prefer +5 warriors over one lord that has a gakky range. This works best against shooting definatly and this means you may need...

I'm sorry but this is wrong and I don't just mean your spelling of definitely, Orbs aren't always worth it on small units but on 10 man immortal squads and 20 man warrior squads orbs are very worth their points mathematically.

I would have to side with Over 9000 on this one.
20 warriors
take a strength 4 hit
1/2 wounds
1/2 saved wounds
1/2 getting back up
It takes 8 hits to guarantee a dead warrior, as long as the squad doesnt break (harder with a large unit)
as opposed to
1/2 wound 1/2 saved 1/3 get back up taking an average of only 6 hits to guarentee a death

obviously, the res orb gets more useful when you stop getting the armor saves due to high AP weapons