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2012/03/17 22:57:16
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Reading through, the IG codex today, I noticed that 'Summary Execution' says that "A Commissar (of either rank) will never execute himself or anoher Commissar (of either rank)." Additionally, the 'It's For Your Own Good' special rule states "...a Commissar (of any type) then the psyker is..."
Based on the different wordings, If Commissar Yarrick is joined to a PCS that has a Commissar, and the PCS fails it's Morale test, Commissar Yarrick must be executed. Thoughts?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/03/17 23:15:20
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Lord of the Fleet
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If Yarrick himself doesn't have IFYOG, then no, he won't execute a Psyker, even if it's describes as any type of Commissar.
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2012/03/18 00:43:36
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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IIt's For YourOwn Good is a Primaris Psyker special rule, I brought it up to show a difference in wording (either rank/any rank).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/03/18 00:48:49
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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"A Commissar (of any rank) will never execute himself or another commissar (of any rank)".
Seems pretty clear, Yarrik cannot be executed.
It's For Your Own Good is about the PYSKER being removed as a casualty, not the commissar.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/18 00:49:21
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NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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2012/03/18 00:55:36
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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There seems to be confusion. Summary Execution says a Commissar of EITHER rank. I mentioned the Psyker special rule due to the fact it says a Commissar of ANY rank. Since Commissar Yarrick is not a Commissar of EITHER rank, I submit that he can be summarily executed. (Which would be very humorous).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/03/18 00:59:15
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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Having checked, Yarrick is not, in fact, a Commissar. Unless this has been FAQed, the normal rules for Commissars do not apply to him.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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2012/03/18 01:13:52
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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I'm very curious as to how this is resolved. I play against a commissar/Yarrick force quite often, and I would love to see Yarrick executed by a lord commissar.
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2012/03/18 01:34:07
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Dakka Veteran
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Considering that Commissar Yarrik has Aura of Discipline and only Lord Commissars have Aura of Discipline, it seems reasonable to conclude that Commissar Yarrik has a rank of Lord Commissar .
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2012/03/18 01:43:10
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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No, Yarrick will never be executed. Simple point, he and the unit he joins are fearless (Inspirational Hero rule, p63) therefore will never fail a moral check.
This is why he doesn't have the 'Summary Execution' rule, because it would NEVER apply.
As to the 'It's for your own good' rule..
Codex: Imperial Guard p33 wrote:...whilst joined to the same unit as a Commissar (of any type) then...
Possibly open to debate, but I'd say Yarrick definatly counts. He has the title 'Commissar' just like the normal Commissar and the Commissar Lord.
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2012/03/18 01:43:40
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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grendel083 wrote:This is why he doesn't have the 'Summary Execution' rule, because it would NEVER apply.
Not sure how I completely missed that. Well that shoots this idea down rather quickly.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/18 01:45:32
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/03/18 01:51:45
Subject: Summary Execution and Commissaar Yarrick
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More like out of Commissars, only Lord Commissars can be independent characters.
If you're going with Commissar Yarrik is a Commissar of some sort, instead of just a dude with Commissar in his name, then you look at Commissars to work out what type of Commissar he his.
His special rules, IC & AoD, are special rules that Lord Commissars have. So it is a reasonable conclusion that if Commissar Yarrik is a Commissar, he is a Lord Commissar.
But then he doesn't have Summary Execution, so it seems an equally logical conclusion that he isn't in fact a Commissar in game terms. Just a dude with Commissar in his name.
(Look at me talking as if I know my arse from my elbow when it comes to the IG Codex!)
Edit: How interesting. I'm replying to a post that no longer exists. My first "preview" appeared to end up as a post. The middle bit of my post has disappeared into the warp. Either crazy things are happening or I should put the cap back on the super glue.
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