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Well, as a themed list, it.......you're gonna field some trukk scrap piles..../sigh.

Why only two battlewagons? I've got a 1500 point list with 5 battlewagons, 2 of which are meganobz. It's ridiculous.

Honestly, other than the trukks, my big problem with this list are those deffkoptas. For 105 points you can field 3 rokkit buggies that will last longer. Without the buzzsaw, the buggies are superior. Even with the buzzsaw, it's a crap shoot.

The list will get tabled for lack of manpower, but run with it and have fun. If you're going to run nothing but meganobz, you'll never have enough models on the field to take on competitive armies, but you should leave some scars on them

I totally understand fielding what you've got, but this is how we plan for what we're going for also.

I started out with trukks. I do like them, they just get popped, and also don't deliver the size of squads necessary to deal with.....SW and CSM for example, because they have pistols and CCW along with their bolters(so 2 CC attacks) and counterattack on the SW.

I've seem some guys(and it's on my own to do list)to convert koptas into rokkit buggies. remove the blades and the arm, the skids too, and add 4 wheels. There you go

I play Budgethammer 40k, and in friendly games I proxy where I don't have the official model. Many of us have to in order to try new units without spending 30-150 bucks just to try the unit out.

I'd be tempted to drop a few deffkoptas for more meganobz though. You've got 10 meganbz worth of koptas They look great, and you want to hum "Ride of the Valkyries" when you field all those koptas, but they don't quite pay for themselves, unfortunately. I've seen 10 fielded to use up points.

Either way I like the theme, and particularly the Grotsnik idea for the CB. I despise the GK Codex, and while I won't quite call cheese...just.....yuck. All power weapons.....they will be your nightmare and steal the thunder out from under you.

If you're insisting on looted wagons, it's a theme list.

All the original Battlewagons were scratchbuilt because GW wasn't producing the models. 4 out of 5 of mine are scratchbuilt.

The problem with trukks and looted wagons in games above 1000 points is that there is too much firepower for them to survive.

True, looted wagons have AV11 and are immune to small arms fire(barring Tau), but they still only carry 12 models, and quite frankly, mobs of 12 are more or less throw-away and good for a single assault. Afterwards, you're left with a small mob that must assist others. Remember, when a trukk or wagon explodes, you're going to take 3-4 wounds and be stuck footslogging.

You just don't see looted wagons used as transports because it''s a heavy slot, and those are used for battlewagons

Honestly, what is your aversion to battlewagons? They're very effective, and in mechanized lists are what make Ork lists competitive.

I understand they get used a lot, but do your guard not use meltas? It's the best transport that you can use. You can make "looted wagons" that are battlewagons.....shoot, that's how they start out,

Okay okay, I'm sorry, I'll drop the battlewagons

Mmmmm....Manz only, and only trukks and looted wagons.

If you go first, you're better off with them in the trukks for the flat out move. We all know how quickly AV10 and 11 will pop, especially open topped. At least the trukks will get you further out there.

Going with this idea, I'd field 9 rokkit buggies to screen the trukks and provide a obscured save, since you don't have the kffs.

I say the buggies because they last a bit longer than koptas. You could take a mix of both.

Extra points could be spent on big gunz if you don't mind them(grot gunners!).

It's not a competitive list, it's a complete themed list he's trying to get the most out of.

If it were competitive, it'd have battlewagons and boyz along with the MANZ.