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Hello everyone. I have played Fantasy for a few years and recently I have just been able to look over the new Tamurkhan forgeworld book and after seeing the Chaos Dwarfs I have been sold on eventually getting an army of these bad boys. Now I have been told I am allowed to run these guys in GW tournaments (such as Ard Boyz) but if anyone thinks or knows otherwise then let me know, because if thats the case then why even bother creating it?

Anyways this is a first attempt at putting together a list of these guys and I am willing to put the money out for the models (as thanks to my tax return and the selling of some old armies) I will have enough to buy a few things to get me started. This is a first attempt (liable to change once I start play testing some things) any thoughts, ideas or comments are welcome and thanks for reading and helping a newbie out Guys!

Definitely seems like less Ironsworn is the way to go, will re-do the list shortly. The only reason I have the other 2 demonsmiths is so I can get the re-roll with my warmachines primarily but I see your point, I have redone my list so tell me what you guys think and see if there are any more corrections that are needed, thanks!

LORDS AND HEROES: 790pts.

-Sorcerer-Prophet
*w/ Lvl. 4, Lore of Hashut, The Mask of the Furnace, Blood of Hashut

-Demonsmith
*w/ Lvl. 1, Lore of Fire, Dispel Scroll

-Demonsmith
*w/ Lvl. 1, Lore of Metal

-Infernal Castellan BSB
*w/ Armor of Bazherak the Cruel, Biting Blade

CORE: 1220pts.

-x29 Infernal Guard (*Sorcerer-Prophet Here*)
*w/ Full Command

-x29 Infernal Guard (*BSB Here*)
*w/ Full Command

-x25 Infernal Guard (*Demonsmith Here*)
*w/ Hailshot Blunderbusses, Banner
(or)
-x25 Infernal Guard
*w/ Fireglaives, Musician, Standard (*Banner of eternal Flame would go here*)


SPECIAL: 340pts.

-Magma Cannon
*w/ Hellbound

-Magma Cannon
*w/ Hellbound

RARE: 650pts.

-K'daai Destroyer

-K'daai Destroyer

TOTAL ARMY 3000 POINTS


Tactics:

-Level 4 on foot will cast spells from the Lore of Hashut, will admit I am banking on getting the Ash Storm and Flames of Argorh spells in particular to do alot of damage to opponents. He has a 3+ armor save and a 4+ ward, along with the blood of Hashut to bring the pain on some un-suspecting character in combat.

-Same build with my Demonsmiths (know taking two may be overkill but they are there for the re-roll on my warmachines mainly) with the one dispel scroll to protect units against super spells like dwellers, pit of shades, ect. The BSB has a 2+ armor save, a 4+ ward and a S4 -2 to armor weapon.

-Not a whole lot of infantry (reminds me of when I played High Elves), am running two blocks of thirty guys (after characters join) with Hand weapon and shield to give them staying power along with a big unit of blunderbusses or fireglaives whose job is to camp in front of the cannons and with the Demonsmith protect them from getting destroyed. (*Note am considering dropping these guys for fireglaives instead or even just putting their points into the thirty man units of infernal guard.*)

-x2 Magma Cannons to barrage opponents with and weaken up horde lists in particular, both will get a re-roll thanks to demon smith to help make sure they stay alive and with hellbound to make them magical attacks and tougher.

-The big, scary part of this list...x2 K'daai destroyers!! These massive monsters job is to be the offensive/counter attack power of my list by either running both of them up a flank or even right next to each other against a particular nasty unit in my sights. (*Note another thing I am thinking of changing by dropping one of them to add to my infantry or even drop both and spam more infantry/cannons*).

2 destroyers?.... There is no god

Sounds interesting.

I think for 'Ard Boyz and other GW events, you might have to use the old PDF list.

Your list is about as mean as it get for the FW Chaos Dwarfs, as the K'daai can basically take on whole opposing armies by themselves.

If you wanted to free up some points; drop one of the demon smiths, and place the 2 magma cannons closer together during deployment. The D'smith only has to be within 3" to grant the re-rolls.
This way the magma cannons can take one flank, backed up by the blunderbusses, and the 2 K'daai can roll the other flank.
This will also let you combine the blunderbusses into one unit, giving them some better defense (ranks/steadfast) against any smaller units sent to take out your war machines.
With the freed up points from the D'smith you can try to pick up a few Bull Centaurs, or a Hobgoblin hero on wolf. Both units are pretty good for distracting/war machine hunting, and such.

Good luck with the CD, and if I could run the 2 K'daai at 2500; I'd do it in a second.

cricketofdeth wrote:I think for 'Ard Boyz and other GW events, you might have to use the old PDF list.

Nope I can run the list from Forgeworld because on pg. 105 of the Tamurkhan book it says @ the bottom of the page "As well as all this, also included in this section is a Chaos Dwarf army list for the Legion of Azgorh. This should be considered an official army list for Warhammer.". So I should be okay (except for the owner of my local game store saying no forgeworld books but that was before I knew of this sentence so hopefully he will see reason). Other then that I will be running them in friendly games.

I have thought about dropping the blunderbusses all together as you really need a single unit of x25-30 apparently to run them effectively and benefit from their special rules that they have so I may be trading them out for fireglaives or even just more infernal guard with hand weapon and shield. Also heard of the Hobgoblin Khans on wolves being excellent redirectors/delayers of opponents armies and will look into that as well.

This list will make mincemeat of any army you face, if you play it rigth. Your destoryers will draw alot of fire but will also wreck the face of any unit they reach.

You also have solid shooting with the magma cannons and blunderblusses. All in all a army that will do well, let us know how it goes.

Trondheim wrote:This list will make mincemeat of any army you face, if you play it rigth. Your destoryers will draw alot of fire but will also wreck the face of any unit they reach.

You also have solid shooting with the magma cannons and blunderblusses. All in all a army that will do well, let us know how it goes.

Will do I am planning on starting to play test this army asap. However I am going to change up my list a little more as having only x20 blunderbusses is not an effective way to run them. Am considering running one big unit of them or fireglaives along with my infernal guard blocks. Big weakness of this army will be I will almost always be badly outnumbered, but hey just means less models for me to have to buy

**UPDATE**: Hey guys I just realized that I have been cheating myself out of 90pts. because I pointed up the magma cannons while looking @ the dreadquake mortars.... , going to go with being unfamiliar to the new book as my excuse so it has now been fixed and the list edited to look as it should along with some tweaks here and there, my bad guys!

Fireglavies are definitly worth the cost. Yes you will be outnumberd but you will still make other armies weep as you wade true their troops.

I have played against Chaos dwarfs in smaller games, and I have yet to manage a win with a decent amount of troops still on the field.

Nope I can run the list from Forgeworld because on pg. 105 of the Tamurkhan book it says @ the bottom of the page "As well as all this, also included in this section is a Chaos Dwarf army list for the Legion of Azgorh. This should be considered an official army list for Warhammer.". So I should be okay (except for the owner of my local game store saying no forgeworld books but that was before I knew of this sentence so hopefully he will see reason).

Yeah, it says that, but it comes down to what the tourney organizer will allow.
I don't think you'll have an issue though, as the Lone Wolf Texas GT allowed both the PDF, and the Legion lists. I don't remember a lot of players complaining about either, in fact there are a few Dakka guys who were there, and posted bat-reps. Red Zek has a good one with his Dwarfs vs. the Legion list.

I don't think Hell Bound is really worth it. I think you'd be better off picking up a Hobgob Hero on wolf.
+1 for Fireglaives. I like these, even though they are a ton of points. The +1 str in CC lets you're guys not get punked by skirmishers, and such.
With the Fireglaives, you could go back to 2 units of 10ish; just drop the command, or possibly Hell Bound to get more guys.

cricketofdeth wrote:

Nope I can run the list from Forgeworld because on pg. 105 of the Tamurkhan book it says @ the bottom of the page "As well as all this, also included in this section is a Chaos Dwarf army list for the Legion of Azgorh. This should be considered an official army list for Warhammer.". So I should be okay (except for the owner of my local game store saying no forgeworld books but that was before I knew of this sentence so hopefully he will see reason).

Yeah, it says that, but it comes down to what the tourney organizer will allow.
I don't think you'll have an issue though, as the Lone Wolf Texas GT allowed both the PDF, and the Legion lists. I don't remember a lot of players complaining about either, in fact there are a few Dakka guys who were there, and posted bat-reps. Red Zek has a good one with his Dwarfs vs. the Legion list.

I don't think Hell Bound is really worth it. I think you'd be better off picking up a Hobgob Hero on wolf.
+1 for Fireglaives. I like these, even though they are a ton of points. The +1 str in CC lets you're guys not get punked by skirmishers, and such.
With the Fireglaives, you could go back to 2 units of 10ish; just drop the command, or possibly Hell Bound to get more guys.

Dont worry I do realize its up to the tournament organizer to decide whether or not I can run them but I doubt he would turn away a fully painted ready to go Chaos Dwarf army @ a tournament . I still am not sold entirely on fireglaives as their BS3 makes me hesitant in taking them (my hobgoblin archers have the same BS for example and are cheaper which equals more shots). The strength 4 -2 to armor is nice but sacrificing your shield to get it (gives me a 4+ instead of a 3+) is why I chose Blunderbusses because you dont sacrifice your shield in CC. Still worth trying though as I am getting some of the models either way.

I am taking hellbound not just for the plus one toughness and wound, but also because it gives my cannon magical attacks. This is huge considering the sudden influx of ethereal units (hexwraiths) appearing all over the place (already three current/planned vampire players @ my store and counting). This gives me a surefire way to deal with them.

Are etheral vamp armies becoming the norm? There's a pair here that I think are working towards those lines (they're moving to vamps anyway) so I'm curious if it's becoming a standard tactic.

Slaan wrote:Are etheral vamp armies becoming the norm? There's a pair here that I think are working towards those lines (they're moving to vamps anyway) so I'm curious if it's becoming a standard tactic.

I think it may start to be or @ least adding more ethereal units in there army @ least. A few players @ my store refer to Hex Wraiths as "broken" good and there is a very good player here who loves to send a single banshee @ small units *(aka small unit of 6 knights for example*) and hold them up for the entire game because they dont have magic weapons and cant do anything so they sit there and get howled to death....pain in the @$$

Slaan wrote:Are etheral vamp armies becoming the norm? There's a pair here that I think are working towards those lines (they're moving to vamps anyway) so I'm curious if it's becoming a standard tactic.

In my lists I normally have atleast 4 ethereal units if not more.

For 3000 points how would this do ? Im new to chaos dwarves as well

Warlord; hellforged, great weapon = 201
Warlords winged daemon; 2 x colossus, razorclaws, immotral hunger, ironclad = 200

Unbreakable + 20 granite guards with banner = 445

5 units of 30 chaos dwarfs with great weapons and banners = 1700

ancestor golem = 300

Total = 2896

Still got points to spare for sorcerers

OR how about this list

Zhatan the Black, Despot BSB cruel standard in a unit of 20 baneguard with unbreakable champo, musician and banner of zharr = 934

Daemonbane = 200

4 units of 30 warriors with musician, banner, great weapons, shields = 1500

Daemon engine with Ironclad, great horns, razor claws, smog, foul excretion, colossal x 2 = 245

Total = 2888

Rest of points into sourcers ??

@OP: I like the updated list. I think the extra bodies will do well for you.

@sum: In 8th you really need a Lv. 4 to be effective, more so at higher points games like 2400+
What list are you looking at? This is a thread about the Warhammer Forge Throne of Chaos army list, not fan-dex lists.
Try starting a thread of your own, with a link to the book you're using.

sumi808 wrote:OR how about this list

Zhatan the Black, Despot BSB cruel standard in a unit of 20 baneguard with unbreakable champo, musician and banner of zharr = 934

Daemonbane = 200

4 units of 30 warriors with musician, banner, great weapons, shields = 1500

Daemon engine with Ironclad, great horns, razor claws, smog, foul excretion, colossal x 2 = 245

Total = 2888

Rest of points into sourcers ??

Which rules are you using because both those lists dont look like anything in the Tamurkhan book, if I knew what half of those things were I could probably give you more/better input!

where can you get this book?


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nevermind found it on forgeworld

gmaleron wrote:
Which rules are you using because both those lists dont look like anything in the Tamurkhan book, if I knew what half of those things were I could probably give you more/better input!

I think they're using the unofficial Chaos dwarf army book that they allow on indy tournaments in the U.S.