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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 02:23:18
Subject: Beijing coup rumors
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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What The Heck?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/21/inside-the-ring-436080940/
Beijing coup rumors
U.S. intelligence agencies monitoring China's Internet say that from March 14 to Wednesday bloggers circulated alarming reports of tanks entering Beijing and shots being fired in the city as part of what is said to have been a high-level political battle among party leaders - and even a possible military coup.
The Internet discussions included photos posted online of tanks and other military vehicles moving around Beijing.
The reports followed the ouster last week of senior Politburo member and Chongqing Party Secretary Bo Xilai, who was linked to corruption, but who is said to remain close to China's increasingly nationalistic military.
Chinese microblogging sites Sina Weibo, QQ Weibo, and the bulletin board of the search engine Baidu all reported "abnormalities" in Beijing on the night of March 19.
The comments included rumors of the downfall of the Shanghai leadership faction and a possible "military coup," along with reports of gunfire on Beijing's Changan Street. The reports were quickly removed by Chinese censors shortly after postings and could no longer be accessed by Wednesday.
The unusual postings included reports that military vehicles were sent to control Changan Street, along with plainclothes police officers and metal barriers.
Another posting quoted internal sources as saying senior Communist Party leaders are divided over the ouster of Mr. Bo. The divide was said to pit Prime Minister Wen Jiabao and against party security forces and Minister of Public Security Zhou Yongkang.
Late Wednesday, another alarming indicator came when Beijing authorities ordered all levels of public-security and internal-security forces under Mr. Zhou to conduct nationwide study sessions, although Mr. Zhou's name was not on the order - a sign his future may be in doubt.
Additional references on Chinese social media included vague mention of high-level party political struggles and related police activity in Beijing.
One posting referred to a mysterious atmosphere in Beijing and a reported shooting Tuesday night. The posting was quickly censored by authorities.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 02:47:54
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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So... New Old News (since it happened over the past week)?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 04:26:48
Subject: Beijing coup rumors
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[MOD]
Solahma
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/22 04:27:01
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 04:35:28
Subject: Re:Beijing coup rumors
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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It's one of those odd things that Post and Times means different things in different cities. New York Times is a proper newspaper, New York Post is a tabloid rag. Washington Post is a proper newspaper, Washington Times is a tabloid rag owned by a cult.
TLDR? Washington Times.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 04:38:13
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Solahma
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I think you'll find better esteemed papers printing the same story.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/22 04:40:56
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 04:42:40
Subject: Re:Beijing coup rumors
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Wing Commander
Firehawk 1st Armored Regimental Headquarters
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The Original Emperors of China's title was "The God Emperor of The People".
Bring the God Emperor back  !
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
"This great fortress was a gift to the Blood Ravens from the legendary Imperial Fists. When asked about it Chapter Master Pugh was reported to say: "THEY TOOK WHAT!?"" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 04:44:33
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Solahma
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Reporting from Beijing— In the latest political tumult in China, it is the Maoists who find themselves in trouble.
Maoist websites have been shut down, ostensibly for "maintenance." A public park in Chongqing where retirees sang and twirled to patriotic anthems while waving red flags posted a notice saying the music was now banned because it disturbed the neighborhood. A former television host, known for his Maoist views, found his scheduled speeches abruptly canceled.
The crackdown started late last week during the conclusion of the National People's Congress. On Thursday, Premier Wen Jiabao called for political reforms to protect the nation's economy, warning that without change, China could be revisiting the cruelty of the Cultural Revolution, Mao Tse-tung's 1966-76 purge of intellectuals. The following day, Bo Xilai, the Communist Party chief in Chongqing and a popular figure for leftists, was sacked from his post.
"This can't be coincidence," said Sima Nan, a scholar and former TV host whose home in Beijing opens into a foyer decorated with a large bust of Mao next to a smaller one of Lenin. He had written several blog posts criticizing Wen's warnings about the Cultural Revolution.
Then, on Friday, Sima was notified that speeches he was scheduled to deliver at universities in Beijing and Hong Kong had been canceled. "I've been a Communist Party member for over 30 years, so I feel very sad that my point of view is banned from the public discourse," he said in response.
Censors appear to have struck in other locations Friday. Three well-known websites popular among the left, Utopia, Maoflag.net and Redchinacn.com, experienced technical problems, silencing critics of Wen's words and helping nip in the bud any public demonstrations in support of Bo.
A few demonstrators appeared Monday at Chaotianmen Square with a red banner that read, "Chairman Bo, the people of Chongqing miss you." They were spirited away by Chongqing police within minutes and a photograph of the demonstration was quickly deleted from websites in China.
The opaque nature of the Chinese Communist Party makes it difficult to determine whether the crackdown is an attempt to weaken Bo and his base, or whether it reflects a deeper ideological divide within the party's leadership.
Chongqing became the epicenter of a Maoist revival under Bo's leadership during the last five years. With great fanfare, the ambitious Communist Party chief spearheaded a campaign to crack down on gangs and corruption. Another program harked back to the early communist days: public singing and dancing to nostalgic revolutionary songs, often while wearing Red Army costumes.
Bo, 62, is the son of one of China's revolutionary pioneers, Bo Yibo. Until recently, he was a rising star and a contender for a coveted seat on the nine-member Standing Committee of the Politburo, to be selected at the 18th party congress in October. He has since been caught up in a scandal that became public last month when his former sidekick, Wang Lijun, who had recently been fired as public security director in Chongqing, sought asylum in a U.S. Consulate, saying his life was in danger.
According to a U.S.-based Chinese website, Boxun.com, a preliminary investigation last week found that Bo had acted improperly in removing Wang from his post without notifying the Ministry of Public Security after Wang came to "report a matter related to Bo Xilai's family because police officers handling the case felt pressure and had handed in their resignation letters."
The report, purportedly by the party central governing office, also said, "This is a very serious incident which has brought negative attention domestically and internationally.... Wang Lijun is directly responsible. Bo Xilai as party secretary takes overall responsibility as a leader."
A 25-minute recording of the report being read aloud by an official with a Chongqing accent was also posted on YouTube. Its authenticity could not be confirmed.
Bo's downfall is a bitter disappointment to Maoist revivalists. "People saw a lot of hope in the Chongqing model. In economy, Chongqing was No. 1 in the country. The security improved. Social morality improved," said Sima.
Within Chinese politics, such people, who refer to themselves as leftists, are a small faction that has often sparred with dissidents such as artist Ai Weiwei, yet has focused on many of the same problems: the gap between rich and poor, corruption and rampant materialism. Among its ranks are some older party members and a few intellectuals, laid-off state employees and others rediscovering Mao and updating his ideas for the Internet.
The Utopia website also runs a small bookstore on the sixth floor of a Beijing skyscraper. Communist kitsch covers its walls: porcelain Mao figurines, red star caps and titles like "The Power of Red Songs."
Employees on Monday refused to speak to foreign reporters. A manager of the website said, however, that staffers were in the process of getting it back online but were deleting some content posted over the last few days.
"The government is really more worried about the leftists than the pro-Western activists because they are against the reform and opening up," said Wen Yunchao, an activist and blogger in Guangdong province. Wen believes that the crackdown does not point to a major ideological shift in the Chinese leadership but was necessitated by the upcoming party congress.
"The most important thing for the leadership is to make sure the power transition goes smoothly. After that, they can decide which direction the country is going," Wen said.
At least for now, the sign of changing times is unmistakable. On Friday, a large notice board was posted in Chongqing's People's Congress Square, one of the popular gathering places for the patriotic music, saying it had made "too much noise and had a negative impact on the lives, work and rest of the neighboring residents."
"This is very confusing for local residents. After being told to sing red songs, now people are told they shouldn't. It is maybe an overcorrection," said Alan Zhang, a blogger from Chongqing.
He said that over the weekend, people in his neighborhood who used to dance to patriotic songs were playing salsa music instead. source
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 04:54:27
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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There is a transition of power. People outside the loop are probably nervous and noticing things now that occur frequently. As for the censorship, that is standard practice to keep law and order in a society build upon those principles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 05:35:07
Subject: Beijing coup rumors
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Solahma
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No, I don't think that's the case.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 06:39:43
Subject: Beijing coup rumors
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Chinese people listening to Salsa because they cant sing patriotic songs... ROFL XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 11:24:25
Subject: Re:Beijing coup rumors
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/22 13:09:27
Subject: Beijing coup rumors
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Solahma
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LOL, would you prefer Moonie Anti-Communist rag?
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