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Hi thanks for the in depth map that is truly awesome. But as for the hive fleet's name, I'm going with a (greek) Alpha-Numeric system, as one of the ideas of my background is that so many splinter fleets are emerging that names get lost in the data, and alpha-numeric systems are easier to keep track of within data if the number of fleets is high enough.
Also, has Leviathan been defeated... as reading one entry on Lexicanium has me confused... I was under the assumption that Leviathan was the ongoing fleet?
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Well, as I understand it there are no Splinter Fleets in Leviathan... its just Leviathan. The splinter fleets only exist in the galactic east as the result of the 'destruction' of Hive Fleet Kraken.
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chaos0xomega wrote:Well, as I understand it there are no Splinter Fleets in Leviathan... its just Leviathan. The splinter fleets only exist in the galactic east as the result of the 'destruction' of Hive Fleet Kraken.
Well for this, I'm having a specialised tendril of Leviathan strike out with a goal separate to the main fleet. so not a splinter fleet as such as it holds the same genetics as the parent, but its specialised towards poison in an attempt to maintain its goal...
AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:Also, has Leviathan been defeated... as reading one entry on Lexicanium has me confused... I was under the assumption that Leviathan was the ongoing fleet?
The Hive Fleet is fine, a small tendril on a crash course to Terra was killed.
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Medium of Death wrote:What is your fleets purpose/goal?
To infiltrate deep into territory that hasnt been explored yet, and to aquire knowledge through genetic data absorption on humanities defences in the sol system (segmentum solar)
The tendril that has had it's Norn Queen destroyed could make a good basis for your splinter fleet. When a Norn Queen dies it causes new ones to be born in what is known as the hydra efffect. Your swarm could be the product of this effect.
The exact number of tendrils associated with Leviathan isn't known. It is the largest Hive Fleet to date and the Imperium has not been able to properly estimate the size of Behemoth which was the smallest. Leviathan is attacking from below the galactic plane and nobody knows how much more of it is coming. Also the areas it has swept over could contain any number of tendrils because information in these areas has gone dark.
I did see in this month's White Dwarf somebody's Hive Fleet that was meant to be what would happen if a Leviathan and Kraken tendril mixed. This would be a possible option for you.
Leech wrote:The tendril that has had it's Norn Queen destroyed could make a good basis for your splinter fleet. When a Norn Queen dies it causes new ones to be born in what is known as the hydra efffect. Your swarm could be the product of this effect.
The exact number of tendrils associated with Leviathan isn't known. It is the largest Hive Fleet to date and the Imperium has not been able to properly estimate the size of Behemoth which was the smallest. Leviathan is attacking from below the galactic plane and nobody knows how much more of it is coming. Also the areas it has swept over could contain any number of tendrils because information in these areas has gone dark.
I did see in this month's White Dwarf somebody's Hive Fleet that was meant to be what would happen if a Leviathan and Kraken tendril mixed. This would be a possible option for you.
Interesting proposal there, one aspect I had overlooked. thank you for that! And I'll also check out that white dwarf too!
As a side note, I need to figure out the basis of their attention... but I can't for the life of me figure out who and what would have the information my fleet is after... I was considering Astropath or high ranking Navis Nobiliti, but neither seems fitting... so with that I'm at an stumbling
AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:Also, has Leviathan been defeated... as reading one entry on Lexicanium has me confused... I was under the assumption that Leviathan was the ongoing fleet?
The Hive Fleet is fine, a small tendril on a crash course to Terra was killed.
The biggest problem with leviathans fluff is Cruddace almost exclusively concentrated on the Octarius War for Leviathan, making it seem like all Leviathan did was get redirected by Kryptmann in its entirety into Octarius. Only one tendril was redirected. It's basically just poor writitng from Cruddace. Leviathan is definitely still around (as are Kraken and Behemoth, according the BRB). Leviathan is actually doing quite a lot of damage, and if you read the boxouts on the galactic map in the 5th edition Tyranid book, the Imperiums haven't very little luck against it, mostly making fighting retreats.
Medium of Death wrote:What is your fleets purpose/goal?
To infiltrate deep into territory that hasnt been explored yet, and to aquire knowledge through genetic data absorption on humanities defences in the sol system (segmentum solar)
To boldy nom, where no hive has nommed before!
Dooooo do do doooooo do do dooooooooooo do do do do do DOO DOO DOO DOO DO do DOOOOOO!
AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:Also, has Leviathan been defeated... as reading one entry on Lexicanium has me confused... I was under the assumption that Leviathan was the ongoing fleet?
The Hive Fleet is fine, a small tendril on a crash course to Terra was killed.
The biggest problem with leviathans fluff is Cruddace almost exclusively concentrated on the Octarius War for Leviathan, making it seem like all Leviathan did was get redirected by Kryptmann in its entirety into Octarius. Only one tendril was redirected. It's basically just poor writitng from Cruddace. Leviathan is definitely still around (as are Kraken and Behemoth, according the BRB). Leviathan is actually doing quite a lot of damage, and if you read the boxouts on the galactic map in the 5th edition Tyranid book, the Imperiums haven't very little luck against it, mostly making fighting retreats.
Yeah unfortunately trying to gleam any form of sense from the current Codex is like searching for a needle in a haystack made of needles...
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AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:What is your fleets purpose/goal?
To infiltrate deep into territory that hasnt been explored yet, and to aquire knowledge through genetic data absorption on humanities defences in the sol system (segmentum solar)
To boldy nom, where no hive has nommed before!
Dooooo do do doooooo do do dooooooooooo do do do do do DOO DOO DOO DOO DO do DOOOOOO!
Great. Thanks. Now I have the original Star Trek tune floating through my head...
Behemoth was the smallest? Moloch and Kraken look much smaller than Behemoth did.
And don't Hive Fleets battle if they meet, and the winner consumes the unique aspects of the other to make it into one stronger fleet?
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Crazyterran wrote:Behemoth was the smallest? Moloch and Kraken look much smaller than Behemoth did.
And don't Hive Fleets battle if they meet, and the winner consumes the unique aspects of the other to make it into one stronger fleet?
Behemoth and Kaken are of equal size, smaller than Leviathan but larger than the other fleets listed. Boy I've done a lot of reading today :/
Also no (although it does depend on which edition you read), they usually branch further out attempting to further diversify their genetic pool. From what I remember the infighting with Nids was a small part of the codex two editions ago as well as the Ultramarines book (which was a little streached on plausability).
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It's stated a few times Behemoth was the smallest of the major hive fleets.
The idea of Tyranids fighting each other when they met was something they did to make Tyranid mirror matches less strange. But it didn't make sense (they'd more likely just merge than fight it out and the victor consumers the loser) and there is a better way to explain it (one of them is 'feral' and lost its link to the hive mind).
-Loki- wrote:It's stated a few times Behemoth was the smallest of the major hive fleets.
The idea of Tyranids fighting each other when they met was something they did to make Tyranid mirror matches less strange. But it didn't make sense (they'd more likely just merge than fight it out and the victor consumers the loser) and there is a better way to explain it (one of them is 'feral' and lost its link to the hive mind).
Fair enough on the size ratio, but that just makes it the smaller out of the big three (Leviathan > Kraken > Behemoth)
Lols all that sprang to mind was they went Senile... and idea I find quite odd matched with Nids.
... great, now I have the mental image of a HT riding a mobility scooter
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As a side note, I need to figure out the basis of their attention... but I can't for the life of me figure out who and what would have the information my fleet is after... I was considering Astropath or high ranking Navis Nobiliti, but neither seems fitting... so with that I'm at an stumbling
Tyranids have little to no interest in conventional information and their thoughts (those thoughts which would drive us mad or be utterly alien and inconprehensable, or both) are similar to highly evolved instinct but Tyranids are great problem solvers. Tyranids have no sense of self and lacking any kind of information they would either solve the lack of data though the collective will of the swarm or evolve a way around it, or both. Information is unlikey to interest them aside from Lictors eating brains to learn recent memories of prey. Tyranids would have an insatiable interest in a mould on some cheese if they had never absorbed it before. But they would find the design blueprints of the Emporer's palace only good for eating.
However if you want a reason for your swarm to be on the rampage other than feeding, evolving and laying eggs then I have few Tyranid-like ideas below. The galaxy is full of food so if you want a more unique objective then it would have to be something more than just bio-mass or genetic material. Think like an alien swarm intent on superior evolution and survival, not honour, pride or revenge, Tyranids have no knowledge of such things.
1 A unique or highly rare sample of genetic mutagen. The Imperium could of accidentally stumbled across a sample of this mutagen. It is a substance that the humans cannot in any real way exploit due to it's complexity (except in the uncontrolled production of hideous and vile genetic accidents) but the Tyranids can exploit it. The Imperium and other races of the galaxy have crude and stone-age bio-tech/bio-engineering compared to Tyranids but this could be something unique or very hard to manufacture which the Tyranids have not absorbed yet. Once absorbed it can be replicated easily by the swarm but it must be absorbed first.
2 A possible acidental and exceptional hybrid xenofrom was produced but unfortunately destroyed before it could be absorbed. It was made by the combination of Tyranid genetics and or Eldar Wraithbone, Dark Eldar Haemonculus venom. More samples of these substances are needed to complete the genome of these new creatures the DNA of which can be incorporated into existing creatures for superior new xenoforms.
3 A form of extra-dimensional life/entity from a parrel universe/human carrying dormant Tyranid genes from the 51st millenium has appeared. It is composed of unique genetic information and structures. This lifeform has fled into hiding, possibly disguised as a human or other alien. Because it is one of a kind it must be found and absorbed into the Hive due to the huge benefits it could bring.
Hope this helps.
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AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:
As a side note, I need to figure out the basis of their attention... but I can't for the life of me figure out who and what would have the information my fleet is after... I was considering Astropath or high ranking Navis Nobiliti, but neither seems fitting... so with that I'm at an stumbling
Tyranids have little to no interest in conventional information and their thoughts (those thoughts which would drive us mad or be utterly alien and inconprehensable, or both) are similar to highly evolved instinct but Tyranids are great problem solvers. Tyranids have no sense of self and lacking any kind of information they would either solve the lack of data though the collective will of the swarm or evolve a way around it, or both. Information is unlikey to interest them aside from Lictors eating brains to learn recent memories of prey. Tyranids would have an insatiable interest in a mould on some cheese if they had never absorbed it before. But they would find the design blueprints of the Emporer's palace only good for eating.
However if you want a reason for your swarm to be on the rampage other than feeding, evolving and laying eggs then I have few Tyranid-like ideas below. The galaxy is full of food so if you want a more unique objective then it would have to be something more than just bio-mass or genetic material. Think like an alien swarm intent on superior evolution and survival, not honour, pride or revenge, Tyranids have no knowledge of such things.
1 A unique or highly rare sample of genetic mutagen. The Imperium could of accidentally stumbled across a sample of this mutagen. It is a substance that the humans cannot in any real way exploit due to it's complexity (except in the uncontrolled production of hideous and vile genetic accidents) but the Tyranids can exploit it. The Imperium and other races of the galaxy have crude and stone-age bio-tech/bio-engineering compared to Tyranids but this could be something unique or very hard to manufacture which the Tyranids have not absorbed yet. Once absorbed it can be replicated easily by the swarm but it must be absorbed first.
2 A possible acidental and exceptional hybrid xenofrom was produced but unfortunately destroyed before it could be absorbed. It was made by the combination of Tyranid genetics and or Eldar Wraithbone, Dark Eldar Haemonculus venom. More samples of these substances are needed to complete the genome of these new creatures the DNA of which can be incorporated into existing creatures for superior new xenoforms.
3 A form of extra-dimensional life/entity from a parrel universe/human carrying dormant Tyranid genes from the 51st millenium has appeared. It is composed of unique genetic information and structures. This lifeform has fled into hiding, possibly disguised as a human or other alien. Because it is one of a kind it must be found and absorbed into the Hive due to the huge benefits it could bring.
Hope this helps.
I was thinking more along the lines of, the hive mind understands that it cannot win this war without trying something that previously they had no use for. The entire Tyranid race is constructed from genetic absorbtion and genetic memory. so with that in mind, I was considering the focus of their attention to be a planet/system which is home to an important ordos xenos research station, which not only is it home to various genetic samples which would aid the fleet in more hyper evolution, but also a sustantial choir of Astro-telepathica (my thinking that because they relay messages of high priority, that when absorbed all those strategic memories would be known to the hive mind so it could adapt all of the fleets strategies to win the war and neautralise the imperial threat. plus eat the nommy Astronomican thats leading them to Terra in the first place.)
Thoughts?
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I found something yesterday night, that I think is worth a read:
Spoiler:
TYRANID Tyranids tried to consume a death world, the death world creatures tried to consume the tyranids, a hilarious stalemate
Tyranids that have psychic power, doesn't suffer "Psychic Phenomena" or "Perils of the Warp", instead it suffers direct damage caused by losing control of the Hive minds power.
Carnifexes descended from Tyranid warriors, but are a stable enough to be considered a different species, and each hive ship or fleet has it own variation of carnifex, they also have less synaptic connections to the hive mind than the average tyranid, a lone carnifex is still a dangerous creature, and is easily able to survive in any enviroment from the artics to the deserts
A new species of tyranid called the Dagon Overlord(named after the Hivefleet), it's acts much like a swarmlord, maybe it hints that each hivefleet as it own swarmlord. Apparently he has a personality and hates everyone on Jericho reachs, and he seems to be sadistic letting some escape to spread terror of him, and it's hunting the deathwatch kill-teams spedificly.
Lictors have the ability to eat enemy brains for information like the space marines.
Space marines are immune to the Genestealer's Kiss
Rippers are Tyranid Babies
Tyranids don't like fire
The Alphas from dawn of war 2 seems to return as Primes
Tyrant Guards are Blind
Tyranid flesh is toxic to anything but itself
Zoanthropes craniums burst when they over-exert their psychic powers
Spoiler:
Hive Fleet Dagon – Orpheus Salient
Believed to a be a tendril of behemoth because of similiarities
Curas responsible for the Orpheus salient had many successes at first by directly removing the leadership, he believed that humanity was already pure, corruption was forced by others.
Curas dies by throwing is battlegroup into studying the shadow in the warp, he was replaced by a triumvirate of commissar(mediator) and the Arkadeus siblings(a navy one and guard one) until they received a answer from high command
The deathwatch at watch station tryphon are able to send astropatic messages trough the shadow
The Space marines at this salient are having a hard time to deal with the tyrannid(Templars of Blood and Dark Sons)
the only think that makes a new victory in this salient is a deathwatch killteam(a devastator team or a lector hunting team)
Some guys of the deathwatch are veterans of the first tyranic war
Shadow in the warp is described as the psychic static cause by too many tyrannid communications with the hive mind
Dagon is the freak show of the hive fleets, what I mean is that rare things that other hive fleets have are used frequently by Dagon
Dagon coloration seems to be designed to bled with imperium architecture
Dagon uses bio acid specific to corrode trough space marine ceramite armour
They prefer fleshborers to other types of weapons, altrough the fleshbores are more advanced than previously recorded
A theory is set that all escorts bio-ships of the main ship are actually immature versions of the main ship, which makes destroyed main ship a problem because all escorts turn into small fleets
There are 5 stages of tyrannid invasion
Reconnaissance:
-Drone ships are sent with minimal psychic connection, the lictors and genestealers inside are largely autonomous and experts at concealment…
-Lictors can absorb memories of the brains they eat
Infestation:
-The radius of the shadow is described in “a few light years”, it also prevents ships from leaving the warp
-some mycetic spores are filled with microbes design to breakdown the molecules in the planet
-Mawlocs and trygons plant the spore that will grow into capillary towers
Assault:
-Capilary towers are heavy carnivores
-The flying swarm are also heavy carnivores, but they also block the sunlight so they can change the climate by stopping photosynthesis of plants
Subjugation:
-Eel-like rippers clean the oceans
-Capilary towers control the tidal flow of the oceans
-Tyranids are the most vulnerable at this stage
Absorption:
-The hiveships have vesicles to store resources and it’s speculated that they convert the atmosphere into a solid form
The rebirth vessel is a ship under the hive ship with no armaments at all, it barely connected to the hive ship(psychic), and it’s psychic link is directed at the planet the tyrannid are invading, they launch smaller mycetic spores with tyranid “commanders” that were previously slain, it also improves and adapts them.
A deathwatch team invades a hive ship directly and destroyed it’s synapse chamber, it completely wrecked the tyranid invasion
Tyrannid Communications are disrupted by blankets of radiation and solar flares
Templars of blood are a space marine chapter successor of the blood angel, they are a more balanced fighters than they predecessors, and when the black rage gets them they are stripped from their wargear and given a knife to continue battling, those that survive are honoured and executed. They also have a surprisingly low amount of black rage sick. The reason why the templars of blood are in the assault is because a captain believes in omen and when he heard of soslomon 3 pronged attacked (he believes 3 is good for the emperor) he took his third company; he has also served the deathwatch 2 times and is waiting to be called for his 3rd time.
Mist Reaper – a unique form of lector that basicly kidnaps people in foggy environments
Misterious artifact linked to ships exiting the warp on a place called rosenman refuge the deathwatch is interested
Somewhere in the Slinnar Drift there are planets with a metal called Metal X-1794, it’s strong enough that it turns normal power armour into the equivalent armour of a tactical dreadnought, but nobody know it’s source
The planet attonement is heavily poisoned with cadmium and other metals, the defensive force made of earlier settlers that barely survive the poisoning are doing excellent against the tyrannids the poison seems to weaken them enough for the native population to be able to fight them off
Dragon’s Fang – a giant xenos two handed sword, it’s even massive for space marine proportions, retrieved from a tomb complex and it’s made of living metal
There’s a rather large space hulk filled with genestalers and enslavers, it’s often that the genestealers children seal their parents in stasis tubes to protect them from the enslavers, the enslavers are even capable of turning genestealer children against their broods, there are also space hulks, there are also the mutants Hullghasts and even some pure imperials stranded there. Others mentioned in the hulk are Voar Xeno-infections, Kroot beasts and their handlers, eldar pirates
Erioch-Pattern Fire Wasp – Combat Drones used by the space marines in boarding actions, they are there to trigger traps and act as a first wave. They are robust and skilled in combat with a inbuilt flamer and searchlight laminator, mostly used in space hulks and tau ships
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