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Ok so do you roll for a necron with everliving seperately on a model by model basis or as a group (assuming more than one model with ever living has died) allowing you to choose which one come back.

I think you roll as a group and here is my reasoning;

p.29 Under Ever Living At the end of the phase, roll for this counter, just as you would for a Reanimations Protocols counter.

Same Page under Reanimation Protocols - At the end of the Phase, after any morale checks have been made and fall back moves have been made, Roll a d6 for each counter next to the unit.

While yes you would have to keep the counter identified for each ever living model (in case of unit wipe out) you have no requirement to roll seperately for each counter and as such can choose which model returns to play.

So am I right in my thinking or wrong.

You must roll for them individually. The counters for each shows where you can place the model (within 3" of it) if it makes its EL roll.

Unlike RP counters which on a successful roll, allow you to place the model anywhere within coherency with the unit.

The difference is that you place a reanimation protocol counter next to the unit where the model was removed, but you place the everliving counter where the model was removed.

You would roll the reanimation protocols all at one time because they are members of a unit that are identical.

The everliving counter though, would usually represent different models with different stats and wargear.

If that was the case, you would roll for the everliving counters one at a time.

Nemesor Dave wrote:You must roll for them individually. The counters for each shows where you can place the model (within 3" of it) if it makes its EL roll.

Unlike RP counters which on a successful roll, allow you to place the model anywhere within coherency with the unit.

That is incorrect if the unit still exists you place it in coherency with the unit (in exactly the same way you do for reanimation protocols) the only time you use the 3" from the counter rule is when the unit no longer exists (which negates RP but not EL).

@time wizard - The rules for everliving state you follow the rule for reanimation protocols when rolling for whether or not the model comes back and that rule has you roll them all at once.

The Strange Dude wrote: @time wizard - The rules for everliving state you follow the rule for reanimation protocols when rolling for whether or not the model comes back and that rule has you roll them all at once.

From 'Reanimation Protocols' - "At the end of the phase...roll a D6 for each Reanimation Protocols counter next to the unit." There is no clear statement to roll them one at a time or all at once.

From 'Ever Living' - "At the end of the phase, roll for this counter, just as you would for a Reanimation Protocols counter." This counter is singular, which is why you would roll for them one at a time.

Another thing to consider is that if you had, for example, a cryptek and a necron lord, both removed, and 2 EP counters placed, how would you know which model you were rolling for if you rolled for both counters at the same time?

The Strange Dude wrote:

Nemesor Dave wrote:You must roll for them individually. The counters for each shows where you can place the model (within 3" of it) if it makes its EL roll.

Unlike RP counters which on a successful roll, allow you to place the model anywhere within coherency with the unit.

That is incorrect if the unit still exists you place it in coherency with the unit (in exactly the same way you do for reanimation protocols) the only time you use the 3" from the counter rule is when the unit no longer exists (which negates RP but not EL).

Fair enough. In the case of the latter, and if the crypteks had the same wargear, you could roll for them together. For the other cases you must still roll for them individually.

time wizard wrote:

The Strange Dude wrote: @time wizard - The rules for everliving state you follow the rule for reanimation protocols when rolling for whether or not the model comes back and that rule has you roll them all at once.

From 'Reanimation Protocols' - "At the end of the phase...roll a D6 for each Reanimation Protocols counter next to the unit." There is no clear statement to roll them one at a time or all at once.

I suppose but there isn't anything to say you roll them seperately and my reading 'roll a d6 for each' means 1 counter 1d6, 3 counters 3d6, or 12 counters 12d6.

time wizard wrote:From 'Ever Living' - "At the end of the phase, roll for this counter, just as you would for a Reanimation Protocols counter." This counter is singular, which is why you would roll for them one at a time.

In reanimation protocols the counter is refered to as a singluar as well in the section that ever-living tells you to reference (the second paragraph about rolling for counters).

time wizard wrote:Another thing to consider is that if you had, for example, a cryptek and a necron lord, both removed, and 2 EP counters placed, how would you know which model you were rolling for if you rolled for both counters at the same time?

The point being you don't have to declare and would choose based on your personal preference.

RAW this seems to be the case to me.

How did you get frmo "this counter" and decide that this means you can roll multiple dice?

You roll for THIS counter in the same way as for RP. You then go to the next EL counter, and roll for THIS counter in the same way as in RP. You then go to the next counter, and roll for THIS counter. and so on.

RAW you roll individually, and cannot just pick and choose.