Renegade Tau (NOT Chaos)

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**SkeTcHy LaRRy**

Just wondering what would happen if a Ethereal no longer has control of a force. Like a force loses all contact with Ethereals and has to think for themselves. Kind of thinking it would be a Ronin type thing since the Fire caste are natural warriors. I might be rambling a bit here but trying to string a chain of thoughts together. Let me know what you think Dakka. As always, I bow to your infinate knowlege of the galaxy.

**Brother Coa**

You mean what would happened to Tau if Ethereals lost control over them?
Imagine a great civil war between each caste just like it was before Ethereals came and cool everyone down.
Bad news for Tau, good news for Orks, Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Necrons and Imperium.

**reds8n**

SkeTcHy LaRRy wrote:Just wondering what would happen if a Ethereal no longer has control of a force. Like a force loses all contact with Ethereals and has to think for themselves. Kind of thinking it would be a Ronin type thing since the Fire caste are natural warriors. I might be rambling a bit here but trying to string a chain of thoughts together. Let me know what you think Dakka. As always, I bow to your infinate knowlege of the galaxy.

Presumably it would be like the Farsight Enclaves.

**SkeTcHy LaRRy**

Not so much on a species-wide level. I mean if a force lost contact with Ethereals either due to death of the ethereals, being stranded, etc. Would they just wander fighting anything or just be wiped out by the Tau. I dont know. Im not really up on my Tau fluff so its kind of a mistery to me.

**Chowderhead**

They'd wander around, being pretty lost, and go fighting somewhere.

It's what Farsight does. And he does it pretty well.

**BluntmanDC**

This is pretty much clearly covered in established Tau fluff, the Farsight Enclave shows what happens.

You have to remember that the Ethereals act a guide and a focal for the greater good, without them Tau forces wouldn't start fighting civil wars as they would have bigger things to deal with, mostly aggresive aliens and survival.

**Zweischneid**

Depends. Farsight Enclave is the most obvious. And they are by and large still "Tau" in most regards. Than again, he mysterious sword (daemonic? chaos?) might play a role.

A more extreme version is given in the Deathwatch stuff from FFG, where Tau "regress" to their earlier, more natural "evolutionary" state that the "would be in" without the mysteriously sped up evolution they've been put through behind the mysterious warp storm once the "last Ethereal" in a sector was dead/removed. They all go feral and mad in a sense. But FFG may just be off on a tangent there.

**darkcloud92**

Well the thing to remember with the farsight enclave is Farsight started to break away before the ethreals watching over him died. He didn't officially break off until after they died though. This is all just according to the Tau codex where it talks about his background. If their were any current advanced tau worlds that simple lost touch with the Empire, which is not what the Farsight enclave is, then they would probably revert back to their old way of living, but they might not. There wouldn't be any reason for the casts to suddenly start fighting each other again if their current system and lifestyle was just fine. It would take some sort of friction, like a disaster or internal fighting, like competition for dominance, to make them revert back. Simply the loss of the ethreal would not make them start fighting and de-evoving again.

**Zweischneid**

darkcloud92 wrote: Simply the loss of the ethreal would not make them start fighting and de-evoving again.

It does so according to FFG.

Mark of the Xenos wrote:
On the seventh night of the battle, something strange occurred. Flamewing's warriors fell into a dark rage, one by one shedding the peerless discipline for which the Fire Caste is renowned and surrendering to something far more primal. Soon the rage consumed Flamewing himself, and he observed his warriors growing surly and fractious. Shockingly, several brawls erupted in the ranks, a phenomenon that none had ever witnessed or experienced. Then the realisation of what was accuring came to the Commander, and dread filled his souls; the Fire Warriors were succumbing to the same barbaric urges that had set the castes against one another at the very outset of their history, a time of bloodshed that only the coming of the Ethereal Caste had put at an end. The fact that Flamewing's warriors were regressing to such an atavistic state could only mean that the last of the Ethereals on Zurcon Extermins had fallen to the Tyranids.

Seems fairly "immediate". But as said, it's FFG and perhaps not indicative of GW's idea.

**darkcloud92**

Zweischneid wrote:
darkcloud92 wrote: Simply the loss of the ethreal would not make them start fighting and de-evoving again.

It does so according to FFG.

Mark of the Xenos wrote:
On the seventh night of the battle, something strange occurred. Flamewing's warriors fell into a dark rage, one by one shedding the peerless discipline for which the Fire Caste is renowned and surrendering to something far more primal. Soon the rage consumed Flamewing himself, and he observed his warriors growing surly and fractious. Shockingly, several brawls erupted in the ranks, a phenomenon that none had ever witnessed or experienced. Then the realisation of what was accuring came to the Commander, and dread filled his souls; the Fire Warriors were succumbing to the same barbaric urges that had set the castes against one another at the very outset of their history, a time of bloodshed that only the coming of the Ethereal Caste had put at an end. The fact that Flamewing's warriors were regressing to such an atavistic state could only mean that the last of the Ethereals on Zurcon Extermins had fallen to the Tyranids.

Seems fairly "immediate". But as said, it's FFG and perhaps not indicative of GW's idea.

Ya I mean I guess it could happen. I am just saying it might not, because their has been no real cannon on it. What FFG says seems reasonable, I just dono if I would call it cannon.

**nomotog**

Zweischneid wrote:
darkcloud92 wrote: Simply the loss of the ethreal would not make them start fighting and de-evoving again.

It does so according to FFG.

Mark of the Xenos wrote:
On the seventh night of the battle, something strange occurred. Flamewing's warriors fell into a dark rage, one by one shedding the peerless discipline for which the Fire Caste is renowned and surrendering to something far more primal. Soon the rage consumed Flamewing himself, and he observed his warriors growing surly and fractious. Shockingly, several brawls erupted in the ranks, a phenomenon that none had ever witnessed or experienced. Then the realisation of what was accuring came to the Commander, and dread filled his souls; the Fire Warriors were succumbing to the same barbaric urges that had set the castes against one another at the very outset of their history, a time of bloodshed that only the coming of the Ethereal Caste had put at an end. The fact that Flamewing's warriors were regressing to such an atavistic state could only mean that the last of the Ethereals on Zurcon Extermins had fallen to the Tyranids.

Seems fairly "immediate". But as said, it's FFG and perhaps not indicative of GW's idea.

I don't want to go quote hunting. What exactly dose FFG say on the topic?

**darkcloud92**

What is FFG?lol Sorry I have never heard of them before, and I have been playing the table top and reading the lore for around 3 years now

**Zweischneid**

nomotog wrote:
I don't want to go quote hunting. What exactly dose FFG say on the topic?

What I posted was a direct quote from "Mark of the Xenos." The question is how you interpret "Flamewing's warriors were regressing to such an atavistic state". Is it just flowery words? Or do Tau (being a race that was artificially progressed to an advanced evolutionary state) literally regress to an atavistic state in the absence of an Ethereal?

FFG is Fantasy Flight Games. They develop a range of Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40K Roleplaying Games under a GW license

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_colecciones.asp?eidc=2

**nomotog**

darkcloud92 wrote:What is FFG?lol Sorry I have never heard of them before, and I have been playing the table top and reading the lore for around 3 years now

They make the warhammer 40k RPG.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite.asp?eidm=108&enmi=Deathwatch

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Zweischneid wrote:
nomotog wrote:
I don't want to go quote hunting. What exactly dose FFG say on the topic?

What I posted was a direct quote from "Mark of the Xenos."

FFG is Fantasy Flight Games. They develop a range of Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40K Roleplaying Games under a GW license

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_colecciones.asp?eidc=2

Bla I miss read what I thought I was reading.