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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 17:16:10
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/obama-begs-russians-space-missile-defense-talks/
Hot mic: Obama begs Russians for ‘space’ on missile defense talks
President blames election woes in private entreaty caught on tape
By Dave Boyer
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SEOUL — Unaware that a microphone was recording him, President Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday for breathing room until after Mr. Obama’s re-election campaign to negotiate on missile defense.
“On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space,” Mr. Obama told Mr. Medvedev at the end of their 90-minute meeting, apparently referring to incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Mr. Medvedev replied, “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…”
“This is my last election,” Mr. Obama said. “After my election, I have more flexibility.”
The Russian leader responded, “I understand. I transmit this information to Vladimir.”
The exchange was picked up by microphone of a Russian reporter as journalists were allowed into the meeting room for remarks by the two leaders. It was first reported by ABC News, which said it verified the conversation. A Washington Times reporter heard a portion of the tape that begins with Mr. Obama saying, “This is my last election.”
The two leaders are in Seoul for a nuclear security summit involving the heads of more than 50 nations. Mr. Obama and Mr. Medvedev were huddling close together in their respective chairs when the conversation took place.
White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes, who attended the meeting, at first said he didn’t hear the exchange and couldn’t comment on it. Within an hour, however, Mr. Rhodes issued a statement via email that said the U.S. “is committed to implementing our missile defense system, which we’ve repeatedly said is not aimed at Russia.”
“However, given the longstanding difference between the U.S. and Russia on this issue, it will take time and technical work before we can try to reach an agreement,” Mr. Rhodes said. “Since 2012 is an election year in both countries, with an election and leadership transition in Russia and an election in the United States, it is clearly not a year in which we are going to achieve a breakthrough. Therefore, President Obama and President Medvedev agreed that it was best to instruct our technical experts to do the work of better understanding our respective positions, providing space for continued discussions on missile defense cooperation going forward.”
The image of Mr. Obama putting off a difficult national security question due to re-election concerns is the opposite of what the White House intended for this trip. Mr. Obama’s first event upon landing in Korea on Sunday was to visit the Demilitarized Zone separating North and South Korea for a photo-op of him gazing across no-man’s land at a forward Army observation post.
Mr. Medvedev told reporters that he believes missile defense talks between the two countries “could be more active.”
“I believe we still have time; time hasn’t run out,” Mr. Medvedev said. “And now we need to discuss and cooperate on various aspects on European missile defense. Now, in my view, time has come for discussions between technical aspects and, of course, we remain at our own positions, both the United States and Russian Federation.”
When he knew he was speaking for the microphones, Mr. Obama said only, “We’ve got more work to do between our two countries. Dmitry identified some areas of continued friction — missile defense being an example. And what we’ve agreed to is to make sure that our teams, at a technical level, are in discussions about how some of these issues can be resolved.”
The U.S. and its NATO allies are pursuing a missile defense shield, while Russia objects that it would compromise its security. Mr. Rhodes said the U.S. has continuously told the Russians that the shield is not being developed as a defense against Russia, and that the two nations should move forward on a broad range of nuclear weapons issues rather than bog down over the shield issue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 17:37:40
Subject: Re:Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Obama didn't say anything that isn't true. Any President will have more room to work in their second term. Being in an election year just makes it even more true. It is politics 101. Republican or Democrat, you have to know when to present something when it has the best chance of happening, and when you are at apex of partisanship i.e. an election, it is difficult to get much done. You don't just randomly present issues to the national legislature, unless you work in the House of Representatives, of course.
As to the assumption to getting re-elected, well, you don't get to be President if you have low self esteem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 17:39:50
Subject: Re:Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Ahtman wrote:
Obama didn't say anything that isn't true. Any President will have more room to work in their second term. Being in an election year just makes it even more true. It is politics 101. Republican or Democrat, you have to know when to present something when it has the best chance of happening, and when you are at apex of partisanship i.e. an election, it is difficult to get much done. You don't just randomly present issues to the national legislature, unless you work in the House of Representatives, of course.
As to the assumption to getting re-elected, well, you don't get to be President if you have low self esteem.
Usually its the opposite actually. They call them "lame duck" Presidents for a reason. Congress ignores them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 17:44:13
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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A Lame Duck, politically speaking, is the time after an election and you are the loser just waiting to hand over power, or about to hit a term limit. If Obama loses the election the time in between losing and the abdication of the office would qualify, as would the end of his second term when a new President has been elected but before he/she (lol) takes office.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 17:44:47
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Amusing, but I never mocked Romney for changing his views, why would I mock Obamia for acknowledging the nationally known truth that he'll have more flexibility when he's not up for election?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 17:48:47
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Ahtman wrote:A Lame Duck, politically speaking, is the time after an election and you are the loser just waiting to hand over power, or about to hit a term limit. If Obama loses the election the time in between losing and the abdication of the office would qualify, as would the end of his second term when a new President has been elected but before he/she (lol) takes office.
Not quite boyo. Its the Second term. Congress has no fear of him so domestic achievements are typically minimal. Usually, they do a lot of foreign affairs (trips). Automatically Appended Next Post: Melissia wrote:Amusing, but I never mocked Romney for changing his views, why would I mock Obamia for acknowledging the nationally known truth that he'll have more flexibility when he's not up for election?
How will he have more flexibility? Any treaties legally performed have to be ratified. Unless he's thinking something illegal of course.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 18:40:39
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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I actually think this says more about the American voter than it does about Obama.
How will he have more flexibility?
Because he won't have to worry about the outcome of any missile defense agreement (which will most likely need a lot of compromises with Russia).
The day a leader can't compromise in the international scene because voters don't like compromise is a said day to be a leader
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 18:44:42
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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LordofHats wrote:I actually think this says more about the American voter than it does about Obama.
How will he have more flexibility?
Because he won't have to worry about the outcome of any missile defense agreement (which will most likely need a lot of compromises with Russia).
The day a leader can't compromise in the international scene because voters don't like compromise is a said day to be a leader 
He can sign a treaty that says Borus can Bang a Gong but thats irrelevant unless the Senate ratifies it and it passes constitutional muster.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 18:49:16
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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The Senate has to ratify sure, but the senate can be convinced to do things that don't necessarily benefit individual senator's careers (especially because their terms are longer than a Presidents and voters have short memories). A President is especially free to convince if he's no longer worried about his future electability.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 18:51:31
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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LordofHats wrote:The Senate has to ratify sure, but the senate can be convinced to do things that don't necessarily benefit individual senator's careers (especially because their terms are longer than a Presidents and voters have short memories). A President is especially free to convince if he's no longer worried about his future electability.
Exactly how is he going to convince them?
"Do what I say"
"why?"
"Er...uh...look over there!" (runs away)
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 18:54:13
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Frazzled wrote:Exactly how is he going to convince them?
"Do what I say"
"why?"
"Er...uh...look over there!" (runs away)
Nah more like this:
"I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse"
"What?"
"A free iPod and these smashing suits."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 19:04:07
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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LordofHats wrote:Frazzled wrote:Exactly how is he going to convince them?
"Do what I say"
"why?"
"Er...uh...look over there!" (runs away)
Nah more like this:
"I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse"
"What?"
"A free iPod and these smashing suits."

Smashing Pumpkins?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 19:08:34
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Frazzled wrote:
Exactly how is he going to convince them?
"Do what I say"
"why?"
"Er...uh...look over there!" (runs away)
The same way he would convince them in his first term?
The threat "I might be re-elected!" is hardly compelling. Hell, if anything in this case that would be an incentive for many people on the other side of the aisle to kill the treaty.
I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that second term Presidents can't influence Congress because they're not up for reelection in 4 years. They're still the President, and still have the full scope of Presidential power, which is their primary means of compulsion. I mean, there's a reason that there is active debate regarding whether or not lame-duck status even means anything. Not that it matters, because being in your second term doesn't make you a lame duck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 19:13:05
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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dogma wrote:Frazzled wrote:
Exactly how is he going to convince them?
"Do what I say"
"why?"
"Er...uh...look over there!" (runs away)
The same way he would convince them in his first term?
The threat "I might be re-elected!" is hardly compelling. Hell, if anything in this case that would be an incentive for many people on the other side of the aisle to kill the treaty.
I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that second term Presidents can't influence Congress because they're not up for reelection in 4 years. They're still the President, and still have the full scope of Presidential power, which is their primary means of compulsion. I mean, there's a reason that there is active debate regarding whether or not lame-duck status even means anything. Not that it matters, because being in your second term doesn't make you a lame duck.
They can influence, but their influence is much less. Given Obama's lack of influence sine he lost the House, I don't see how people can think he will have more power, unless they think the Democrats retake the House.
Historically, very few major Presidential achievements are achieved in a second term that involved non-executive only powers. Roosevelt would be the exception.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/26 20:00:35
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Frazzled wrote:
They can influence, but their influence is much less.
Again, why? Once reelected they're still going to be in office for another 4 years, and they no longer have to worry about their own reelection, which frees their hands to a significant degree.
Frazzled wrote:
Given Obama's lack of influence sine he lost the House, I don't see how people can think he will have more power, unless they think the Democrats retake the House.
Power and flexibility aren't the same thing. Without having to worry about reelection Obama no longer has to push issues relevant to his base of more extreme supporters. This means he doesn't have to talk about climate change, environmentalism, green jobs, and other things the GOP hates or has little interest in. Because of this, his political capital, which hasn't really changed in scope, can be more freely directed to workable issues, rather than ones people wanted him to address.
The short of it is that all those people who feel Obama "betrayed" them no longer matter.
Frazzled wrote:
Historically, very few major Presidential achievements are achieved in a second term that involved non-executive only powers. Roosevelt would be the exception.
Historically there are very few things that would be called "major Presidential achievements" that did not rely solely on Executive powers (in any term), and this missile defense issue wouldn't be considered one of them.
If you want clear examples of treaties signed by the President and ratified by Congress in the President's second term:
Eisenhower: IAEA, UK-US mutual defense
Reagan: Canada-US free trade, and Intermediate range nuclear forces with Russia, UN convention against torture, UN convention against drug trafficking
Nixon: Test ban
Clinton: Chemical weapons convention
Bush: DR-CAFTA (not really a treaty, but close)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 02:22:46
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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It is easier to make decisions that are good for the country, but unpopular with the people, if you don't face re-election.
That has been true for every president that faces term limits. The only difference between President Obama and previous presidents is that he got caught saying it.
As to Lame Duck:
I thought a Lame Duck President was a President that is not going to get re-elected due to term limits and is working with a congress that is controlled by the opposite political party?
A President in his last year can still do a lot if his party also controlls both chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 02:36:56
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 02:38:52
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In the words of the immortal bard: we'll see.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 02:40:14
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d-usa wrote:A President in his last year can still do a lot if his party also controlls both chambers.
In my experience, they can do a lot in the last year even if their party controls neither chamber. Bush was able to push through the TARP bailouts, which were a pretty big piece of legislation.
Also, Frazzled appears to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "lame duck". Indeed, Ahtman has the right of it.
Also, I like how negotiating is now akin to "begging". Keep plucking that chicken.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 03:39:38
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This all seems well and good.
I don't understand how any Republican would have issue with this, unless they are just looking to be contrary to a Democratic president.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 05:13:28
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Dogma and d-use nailed it. Lame duck doesn't just refer to Presidents in their second term. It refers to Presidents with tanked approval, with congress dominated by the opposition party. This means the two means the two means they have to effect legislation, pulpit power and working with congress, are denied to them, and so they just drift along until their term ends.
Frazzled wrote:In the words of the immortal bard: we'll see.
And in response to people explaining to Fraz what things actually mean, he just gives a pat answer and drops out of the thread. Business as usual.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 11:19:39
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 14:01:46
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Frazzled wrote:ph34r wrote:This all seems well and good.
I don't understand how any Republican would have issue with this, unless they are just looking to be contrary to a Democratic president.
Because the WH promised this wouldn't happen
Promised WHAT wouldn't happen? Those links just look like recaps of the existing story, except one which is idle speculation, essentially.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 14:58:22
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The right wing sites that I peruse to ensure I haven't lost the capacity for rage are howling about how this proves Obama's traitorous anti-American socialist communist Muslim agenda. Again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 15:54:28
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Seaward wrote:The right wing sites that I peruse to ensure I haven't lost the capacity for rage are howling about how this proves Obama's traitorous anti-American socialist communist Muslim agenda. Again.
They do that if he sneezes as well, or talks about any subject whatsoever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 15:56:36
Subject: Re:Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Ahtman wrote:Seaward wrote:The right wing sites that I peruse to ensure I haven't lost the capacity for rage are howling about how this proves Obama's traitorous anti-American socialist communist Muslim agenda. Again.
They do that if he sneezes as well, or talks about any subject whatsoever.
Yes. Just as the left wing ones did during the Bush era.
I'm glad I'm an independent and can hate everyone equally.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/28 17:53:55
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer
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It's sad to see an American president that bows before arab potentates is now groveling before the russian dictator.
This story only proves that Obama is too busy running for office to govern the country.
Enemies of the U.S., now is the time to attack!! Obama doesn't have time to respond... he's either at a fundraiser or golfing.
Regards,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/30 00:04:20
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Anointed Dark Priest of Chaos
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Phanatik wrote:It's sad to see an American president that bows before arab potentates is now groveling before the russian dictator.
This story only proves that Obama is too busy running for office to govern the country.
Enemies of the U.S., now is the time to attack!! Obama doesn't have time to respond... he's either at a fundraiser or golfing.
Regards,
Yeah, we need to get back to chest thumping and invading one country after another.
That has worked out well for us in recent years...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/30 08:03:19
Subject: Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Phanatik wrote:It's sad to see an American president that bows before arab potentates is now groveling before the russian dictator.
This story only proves that Obama is too busy running for office to govern the country.
Enemies of the U.S., now is the time to attack!! Obama doesn't have time to respond... he's either at a fundraiser or golfing.
There is absolutely no way you're not a conservative pastiche. Not one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/30 08:10:00
Subject: Re:Obama will have more flexibility after last election to negotiate missile defense talks
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Sneaky Lictor
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Seaward wrote:The right wing sites that I peruse to ensure I haven't lost the capacity for rage are howling about how this proves Obama's traitorous anti-American socialist communist Muslim agenda. Again.
anti-American socialist Fascist Muslim agenda not anti-American socialist communist Muslim agenda.
The extremist Muslim agenda is fascism not communism.
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