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Obviously, this is privy to a lot of house-ruling, but how do you play these guys in friendly games? Do you just use the IG codex, or do you mix in some CSM with them? How would that work?

Ouze wrote:1. Obviously, this is privy to a lot of house-ruling, but how do you play these guys in friendly games?
2.Do you just use the IG codex,
3.or do you mix in some CSM with them? How would that work?

1. Not neccessarily. See 3 below.
2. Using the IG Codex works just fine. They are Guard, afterall. You could also use the guard codex for a Planetary Defense Force, i suppose.
3. That's where it gets fun! Does your group allow Forge World Army lists? If so, there are 3 traitor guard lists that use IG forces and Chaos Marine forces. They can be found in Imperial Armor 5, 6, and 7.
In fact, the IA5 Renegade list is available for free from the Forge World site here. There is also an FAQ

IA5 has some Alpha Legion squads and is "Renegades".
IA6 has Khorne Bezerkers and is Khorne oriented. "Forces of Destruction", I think it's called. I could be wrong...
IA7 has Plague Marine squads and is more Nurgle oriented. "Forces of Decay", I think it's called.

I hope that helps!

Ouze wrote:Obviously, this is privy to a lot of house-ruling, but how do you play these guys in friendly games? Do you just use the IG codex, or do you mix in some CSM with them? How would that work?

You have a few options:

1) Play them straight as a counts as Imperial Guard army.

2) In friendly games play them as a counts as Imperial Guard army and use Chaos marine "allies". This is usually one of those if the friends don't mind kind of things. My group does this all the time. When we do this we limit the allies to be "elite" choices on the force chart. A friend plays with occasional regular marine allies with his Imperial Guard army this way.

3) Use one of the Chaos Renegades army lists from Imperial Armour 5 through 7. IA 5 is a baseline list that includes support from the Alpha Legion marines. The others focus on Khorne or Nurgle supported forces. There are some really neat daemon engines in those books and the Imperial Armour Apocalypse books to use with the force as well. Usually you need to get your friend's permission to use these lists. They are also based off of the previous IG codex so don't have as many options. I am currently working on converting the IA lists to use the new IG codex format and set up, so that you could have an army of veteran type troops if you wanted to simulate a hardcore force including only the most faithful troops.

Since I am still building my renegade figures I primarily play my chaos marines with daemon engine support units from the IA books and it makes for some interesting fights and definitely has some cool models on the table. Love using the ogryn berserkers and plague ogres. As I get more renegades done I'll start playing renegades with support instead. Seems silly to spend the crazy amounts of money on the figures and not actually use them.

Skriker

kronk wrote:
IA5 has some Alpha Legion squads and is "Renegades".
IA6 has Khorne Bezerkers and is Khorne oriented. "Forces of Destruction", I think it's called. I could be wrong...
IA7 has Plague Marine squads and is more Nurgle oriented. "Forces of Decay", I think it's called.

No Slaanesh oriented Renegade Guard? That makes me a sad panda.

I run my Slaanesh Traitor Guard as 'counts as' IG. Sometimes, with my oponents' permission, I tack on a few Chaos Marines to bulk out my points (the IG component of my army is only about 1500 points). I usualy drop the CSM units in the Elite or Heavy Force Organization slots on my IG list. The CSM units are either basic CSM squads, or maybe a Predator (slotting a Troop option from CSM into an Elite option on the IG chart balances out. I mean, it's not like the IG have a plethora of good Elite choices anyway... and I have yet to meet an oponent who has a problem with me losing the ability to take a Russ so that I can field a Predator instead). As long as you get your opponent's permission before you do something not included in the rule book, you shouldn't have any real problems. If you're thinking of taking your Traitor Guard to a tourney? Then 'counts as' IG is the only option you have.

Thanks for the advice, you guys are awesome. I had no idea about those IA lists.


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Sigh, there goes another $65 to Forge World.

Ouze wrote:Thanks for the advice, you guys are awesome. I had no idea about those IA lists.


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Sigh, there goes another $65 to Forge World.

Which book are you getting?

Ouze wrote:Obviously, this is privy to a lot of house-ruling, but how do you play these guys in friendly games? Do you just use the IG codex, or do you mix in some CSM with them? How would that work?

Nothing wrong with just the IG rules. Dan Abnett's stories have the Blood Pact who are basically a mirror IG (well disciplined and trained troops). Use the Enginseer slots to include Chaos Marine Champions rather than a squad. If a regular group of opponents agree, spend 25-50% of your forces points on Chaos Marines.

Alternatively if the rumours are true, see how they do it in the 6th Ed boxset!!

If your friends don't mind you using old lists, you could use 'The Lost and the Damned' list from the Eye of Terror book, or bulk out your CSM force with Witchhunters adversary units. If you really wanted to confuse people, you could use a Grey Knights list, spam henchmen, take Coteaz, and field a full civilian cult of death!

kronk wrote:

Ouze wrote:Thanks for the advice, you guys are awesome. I had no idea about those IA lists.


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Sigh, there goes another $65 to Forge World.

Which book are you getting?

None yet; I'm going to try the IA5 lists you linked for me. I just got some conversion bodies and see how that goes before I get another IA book: I still don't feel like I got to really play with IA8 yet.

Ok, dumb question, re: IA5 renegade list.

"You may take a single Tank as a Heavy Support choice."

Does that mean:

A.) You have have a single tank, period, which is a heavy support choice,

or

B.) Each single tank counts as a heavy support choice (as opposed to Codex:IG, where you can take 3 as a squadron for 1 heavy support slot)

I read the FAQ but this isn't covered, presumably because I'm an idiot and it's self-evident, but just making sure.

Introducing some Chaos/CSM rules in with them sounds the most fun/entertaining, but for the real stringent by-the-books types just use the IG codex page for page.

Ouze wrote:Ok, dumb question, re: IA5 renegade list.

"You may take a single Tank as a Heavy Support choice."

Does that mean:

A.) You have have a single tank, period, which is a heavy support choice,

or

B.) Each single tank counts as a heavy support choice (as opposed to Codex:IG, where you can take 3 as a squadron for 1 heavy support slot)

I read the FAQ but this isn't covered, presumably because I'm an idiot and it's self-evident, but just making sure.

:edit: After reading over the book, I'm actually going to say that you can only take one, so A.

Also, as a quick note, with some counts-as you can do the normal IG codex fine. Just use Straken as an Aspiring Champion Space Marine and then fill out of the rest of your list with Big Mutants, mutant psykers, and all of that fun stuff.
Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

I need to look over the IA7 rules, love me some nurgle.

Ouze wrote:Ok, dumb question, re: IA5 renegade list.

"You may take a single Tank as a Heavy Support choice."

Does that mean:

A.) You have have a single tank, period, which is a heavy support choice,

or

B.) Each single tank counts as a heavy support choice (as opposed to Codex:IG, where you can take 3 as a squadron for 1 heavy support slot)

I read the FAQ but this isn't covered, presumably because I'm an idiot and it's self-evident, but just making sure.

Reading through the list again it could easily imply A, but I would go with B, as it seems more likely that they just didn't want to create separate entries for all of the different tanks listed under the Tank heading.

Skriker

Well, this was ultimately an interesting and increasingly expensive thread, since I'm doing this but with Iron Warriors instead of the chapters in IA, since I have them already.

Buttons wrote:

kronk wrote:
IA5 has some Alpha Legion squads and is "Renegades".
IA6 has Khorne Bezerkers and is Khorne oriented. "Forces of Destruction", I think it's called. I could be wrong...
IA7 has Plague Marine squads and is more Nurgle oriented. "Forces of Decay", I think it's called.

No Slaanesh oriented Renegade Guard? That makes me a sad panda.

I have a feeling we'll get one when Forgeworld does a book featuring Slaanesh.

So, at least 3 book down the line(next one is Necrons, after that is Tzeentch unless they push it back again).

OK, one more dumb question.

Are the Chaos forces in IA 5\6\7 unified? IE can you make an army with choices from any of those books together, or is it that you can make an army with Khorne Berserkers from 6 but not Alpha Legion from 5?

I'd like to know too. (heh, just randomly entering a thread)

Met a guy who used inquisitorial henchman (replaced coteaz's eagle with a daemon familiar and such)

Ouze wrote:OK, one more dumb question.

Are the Chaos forces in IA 5\6\7 unified? IE can you make an army with choices from any of those books together, or is it that you can make an army with Khorne Berserkers from 6 but not Alpha Legion from 5?

They are 3 distinct lists within the campaign, so you would not have Khorne berserkers, alpha legion and plague marines in the same force. If you want to play with all different kinds of chaos marine forces then you should probably play a CSM force instead. Of course this is more of an "official" take and if your friends don't care mix and match as you like. In my group my chaos forces are often a combo of CSM and Eye of Terror forces mixed together and my friends don't mind.

Skriker

As striker said, each of the Vraks books is a completely separate list.

You can't mix and match.

Thanks again, guys! Maybe we'll do CSM with renegade "allies".

Another way to do it, that wasn't discussed, is to use the Tyrant's Legion rules from IA9: The Badab War part 1.

It's very guardsman "light" though, compared to the Vraks lists.