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How do you cause a wound? Its a strength 8, and lets say their leadership is 10, does that mean when you roll a d6 you have to roll a 2+ to wound? Someone said you treat it as toughness and a strength 8 vs leadership 10 would mean i need 4's to wound (he said) so im a little confused.
Thanks!

I beleive this is the same as the nueral shredder of the broken callidus assain, meaning the strength goes against leadership, so strength 8 vs ld 10 would need 6+ to wound. Thats only if the weapon wounds a target based on its leadership instead of toughness

EDIT: because strength 8 vs toughness 10 would need 6+ to wound, simply replace toughness with leadership when attacking wih this weapon. Which mean you could on ID something with ld4, and ogryns are the closest thing I know of to that

how the weapon works, is you substitute the leadership score of a model for the toughness of a model on the to wound chart. In other words if you are shooting the strength 8 weapon at a LD 10 unit, you would need 6s to wound.

Just substitute the value of toughness with that of leadership. Everything else stays the same.

So a normal str 8 weapon against toughness 10 would need 6s to wound. Same way abyssal staff's str 8 against ld 10 would need 6s to wound.

Just remember that you use majority toughness and instant death also depends on leadership (so you instant death models of ld 4).

OOHHHHH I get it now i wondered about that...Ok i played an ork guy and i used my staff against him and he insisted his mob rule gave him 12 leadership...NOW i understand, so, basically, the abyssal staff is horrid for attacking. Ok, just shelved my need to put the cryptek of despair in front to use his template *eyeroll* Thanks for the clarifications! I appreciate it!

Basimpo wrote:OOHHHHH I get it now i wondered about that...Ok i played an ork guy and i used my staff against him and he insisted his mob rule gave him 12 leadership...NOW i understand, so, basically, the abyssal staff is horrid for attacking. Ok, just shelved my need to put the cryptek of despair in front to use his template *eyeroll* Thanks for the clarifications! I appreciate it!

No, its very good. What you have is an AP1 flamer than wounds most meqs on a 4+. And I am sure that you use the base leadership of the target, so no mob rule shenanigans.

Basimpo wrote:Ok i played an ork guy and i used my staff against him and he insisted his mob rule gave him 12 leadership.

That would be a maximum of Ld10 for Orks using the Mob Rule.

Yes LD 10 is the maximum possible. And abyssal staff is awesome. Granted against LD10 is not good, but most armies have LD8. Don't forget a sergeants LD9 wont help against abyssal staff. The majority is LD8 so it wounds on a 4+ and without cover saves. What more could you ask? Wound on a 2+ against anyone I hear? Then attach the cryptek to Deathmarks!

copper.talos wrote:Yes LD 10 is the maximum possible. And abyssal staff is awesome. Granted against LD10 is not good, but most armies have LD8. Don't forget a sergeants LD9 wont help against abyssal staff. The majority is LD8 so it wounds on a 4+ and without cover saves. What more could you ask? Wound on a 2+ against anyone I hear? Then attach the cryptek to Deathmarks!

The Cryptek + Deathmark combo only gets the 2+ against 1 squad. Still, its great for knocking out command squads/retinues.

Yeah we called some 40k hotline and stopped the ork player from claiming 12 leadership.......But ill try it out. So far ive ONLY used it against orks (who had "12" leadership) and squats and it just hasnt seemed successful, but ive only played about 4 games so far with necrons. Deathmarks are ok, but to me, they are more of a play for fun squad. Lychguad=AMAZING
Thanks everyone!

Basimpo wrote:Yeah we called some 40k hotline and stopped the ork player from claiming 12 leadership.......But ill try it out. So far ive ONLY used it against orks (who had "12" leadership) and squats and it just hasnt seemed successful, but ive only played about 4 games so far with necrons. Deathmarks are ok, but to me, they are more of a play for fun squad. Lychguad=AMAZING
Thanks everyone!

Lolwut? They don't exist mate.

I was wondering about leadership bonuses. So, we go by the leadership on the stats of the model rather than leadership from a commander such as Secarius?
Sweet.

You go with majority LD. Just like when using normal weapons against units with models with different toughness values.

Yeah, Majority.

So for an Ork Mob they would all have LD10 if there are 10 or more models.

Space Marine Tac squads have Ld8(majority Ld), Terminators/veterans would have 9 and so on.

Does mob rule give them ld 10 for morale tests only or actually change the stat to ld 10 for everything?

I thought orkz had Ld 7 so a group of 30 boys and a Nob have a Ld of 7....right? It goes by the statline not the affects from leaders? (if so my IG friend is doomed )

Exalted Pariah wrote:I thought orkz had Ld 7 so a group of 30 boys and a Nob have a Ld of 7....right? It goes by the statline not the affects from leaders? (if so my IG friend is doomed )

It goes by statline, but the Orkz Mob special rule affects the statline of all orkz in the unit. So if the ork unit has 8 members, it is LD 8, 9 members LD 9 and 10+ members it is LD 10. (All stats except Attacks are capped at 10)

Exalted Pariah wrote:I thought orkz had Ld 7 so a group of 30 boys and a Nob have a Ld of 7....right? It goes by the statline not the affects from leaders? (if so my IG friend is doomed )

Mob Rule replaces the Ld value of every boy in the unit with that of the number of models in the unit, if the owning player wishes, and capped at Ld10. So against a mob of 10+ orks he can make you take wounds on a 6+ (S8 vs Ld10) or, if feeling generous on Ld7.

So the flamer against large boyz units is fairly meh, however very good against units of orks that cant get above, or have been whittled do to, 8 members of less.

The Abyssal Staff wounds on leadership, but it still uses standard T for ID and other stuff. Thats why it will work on broardsides very well. Ld7 T4 ID on 3+. hit em with a full RC worth of templates and I'm sure he'll run out of shield drones

No instant death = double LD for this weapon. Read the faq.

copper.talos wrote:You go with majority LD. Just like when using normal weapons against units with models with different toughness values.

Is that from a rulebook or FAQ?

I know toughness works like that, but there is a rule for toughness. The only rule for leadership and units is you always use the highest leadership in the unit. I can't think of any rule where you use "majority" leadership.

Kevlar wrote:

copper.talos wrote:You go with majority LD. Just like when using normal weapons against units with models with different toughness values.

Is that from a rulebook or FAQ?

I know toughness works like that, but there is a rule for toughness. The only rule for leadership and units is you always use the highest leadership in the unit. I can't think of any rule where you use "majority" leadership.

The FAQ clarifies that you replace "toughness" with "leadership" in all cases - which would include determining how you wound (so majority leadership)

It's in the Necron FAQ.