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Does the "Ignores Armor Saves" include Invulnerable Saves? It can be interpreted as all armor saves or just ordinary armor saves.

Why would it?

There are 3 types of save: Armour, Invulnerable and Cover. Ignoring one has no effect on the others.

Im just saying that it can be interpreted as ignoring all armor saves, when just saying "armor saves". But I guess that answeres my question

It can't be read that way, as nosferatu said there are 3 types of save. If something doesn't allow any saves it says no saves allowed.

Armour Saves are a subset of saves so to override all of them you need to have a rule saying no saves allowed.

For example power weapons do not allow armour saves, I can make my invulnerable saves.

Not really sure why you would think that "armour save" would apply to other saves, clearly labelled for differentiation as "invulnerable" and "cover" saves

Armour saves, no matter how it's used, only ever applies to... well... armour saves. The term has no effect whatsoever on cover and invulnerable saves.

The ONLY way to deny more than one type of save, is if the rule specifically states as such (no armour or invul saves may be taken), or if it states "no saves may be taken".

The key is the wording.

Ignores Armour saves relates to Armour. Not cover and not Invulnerable. Same as template weapons ignore cover saves, But not armour (depending on the weapon) or Invulnerable saves.

Each 'save' is different. Although only one save can be taken even if all three saves are available to that model.

Gravity wrote:Im just saying that it can be interpreted as ignoring all armor saves, when just saying "armor saves". But I guess that answeres my question

No, there is literally NO WAY to read it as saying anything other than "ignores armour saves" - if it said "ignores saves" then you would indeed get no cover, armour or invulnerable saves - but it doesnt. It specifies exactly what it ignores, and that is all it ignores.

Alright, I stand corrected. No need to correct me anymore haha Let this be a lesson to others.. like me, having to much coffee and to little to do at work!