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Hello. How do you measure line of sight?

I ran into this regarding cannon fire. The rules states that it nees true line of sight. And seing that they are shooting at the ground (often) they are hard to shoot with. However, in games, at my local gaming store and people who play games in engklnd who use to travel there seas that it is fear to put them behind a unit and shoot trough them. For instance a dwarf cannon behind some dwarf units. But in realaty they can not se anything. That is fine if that is how the rule should be played.

My question is does this aply to my skeleton bowmen as well? As in, could I have 3 units of 20 skeletons in 2x10 formation and have all of them shoot with theyr arrows of ashapt bypasing volley shot?

Its called True Line of Sight.

Can your guys see the enemy/target point?

If yes, they have Line of Sight and may shoot(assuming they have range)

But that is just it. The cannons behind the dwarfs can't se shitt.

Cannons need to see the original target point(not the unit they are trying to hit)

If they can't see that then they cannot fire. But if they can see even a tiny piece of it they can fire(since cover doesn't effect cannons)

But is it not common practice to put cannons behind units is it not?

I asume that cannons do not just need to se a place one foot up in the air? The cannon should be seing into the ground, but behind a long line of dwarfs it cannot se any ground. (Mind you it can se the "top" of things. like say sphinxes. However, du to the overshoot he really want to aim some inches before the actual sphinx, but can he see it?

Some people don't read the rules properly. Cannons need to either be on hills or have a gap to shoot through.

If he cannot see the point on the ground he cannot fire. Cannons aim at points on the ground, not enemy units.

But I was under the impression that they did this at the big GW tournaments as well?

Do anybody have any input on that?

Grey Templar has stated the rules correctly. So if anyone is trying to fire a cannon in a different way, then they are either blatantly cheating or are mistaken and need to be properly instructed in the way the rules actually work. You must be able to see the point on the ground that is being shot at. If they are targeting a Sphinx directly (e.i. point is on the model), they must still be able to see the ground that the sphinx is standing on.

Interesting.

But can he not target the head of the sphinx? He would not actualy need the ground does he?

Sure as long as said head is ON THE GROUND.

HoverBoy wrote:Sure as long as said head is ON THE GROUND.

Sucks to be the people who modelled the sphinx standing on its head then

Sucks to be the people who modelled the sphinx standing on its head then

If someone managed to model a sphinx on it's head, i don't think i could in good conscious shoot it at that point. It's just too wild to see.

And yes, you need to see the ground your aiming at. Which is why hills are so good for cannons.

Rules as written, you must see the point you are shooting at. This may be a point on the ground, or it may be a model in between the cannon and the target.

This can result in the weird situation of a cannon firing at a totally concealed (for instance on the other side of a thick wood) but where the cannon can still see an intervening point on the tabletop.

Because of said odd occurrence, many players knowingly play a "house rule" variant wherein the actual target, not the point on the ground must be visible. I prefer the variant that requires I see the target I intend to harm, rather than the arbitrary point on the ground, but wouldn't argue with an opponent who wanted me to aim at a point on the ground.