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Hey folks:

I have a question for you, I couldn't find the answer in the rules:

Let's say I have a LRBT and fire his battle cannon on a unit very close to him but unfortunately the ordnance blast template scatters directly on top of the firing vehicle. Against which armour facing do I resolve the shot?

I'm going to say whichever facing the target unit is looking at.

Yeah i'm with IHateNids. Just like the enemy unit fired it for facing. (I've done this before with a demolisher and wrecked myself.)

The target unit makes sense. I would have said from the tip of the battlecannon, but this will give the same result as the weapon is moved round to point at the target.

Well since the attack comes from the barrel it would be in the direction of the original target. Also since you might have glued the turret in place the targeted unit is the only thing that can matter. You might also want to check to see if you can damage yourself with your own shot as a tank.

@grendel

sounds good. I think I will use your way to deal with it.

@portugus

Fortunately it didnt happen that I wrecked my own vehicle it was rather hypothetical. But I manage to wreck my own executioner with a manticore shot from behind. Idiot teamkiller noob...

Destroyed my own monolith one time by doing this. Sad game. And I'm talking, double 6's to pen and result (I even forgot about the ordnance rule rolling two die, so it was even less lucky for me!). This was back on old rules, fyi.

I hope they change the ruling for scattering onto yourself in 6th ed.... Quite frankly, scattering BEHIND your turret mounted weapon after firing makes as much sense as killing an entire squad by shooting one guy enough times tha...... wait.... Nevermind, its 40k

I think it's perfectly fair, back in 3rd ed a guy droped a pie plate on his on vindicator cos he was trying to nail a squad 2" away. Funniest thing ever.

That's the risk of firing any scattering templat weaponsinto targets that are too close to the firer. Isn't that what bolters and stubbers and all those "defensive" weapons are for?

Yep. Scatter's actually good fun sometimes.

I remeber taking out someone's Manticore which I couldn't see with a Pie that scattered around a corner. (Double 6's, -4 for BS. Came to a perfect center in between the rockets)

I was under the impression that it would be outside of the firing arc of the weapon, an therefore and automatic miss (thats how my LGS plays it) Same for if you had a vindicator and shot and scattered outside of your 45 degree arc to the left or right. Is this correct, because i would love for it to not be, so i can get more lucky scatters with my vindy!

On another note, with this logic could you scatter farther than you 24" max range, providing you started the template within 24 inches?

The auto-miss is only for the original placement - the shot can scatter out of arc, out of LoS, out of max range...

rigeld2 wrote:The auto-miss is only for the original placement - the shot can scatter out of arc, out of LoS, out of max range...

Sweet! I'm totally using this from now on, but is there a specific reference i can use to prove this is true?

Forcast wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:The auto-miss is only for the original placement - the shot can scatter out of arc, out of LoS, out of max range...

Sweet! I'm totally using this from now on, but is there a specific reference i can use to prove this is true?

You do realize you don't place the template if you're not in range of or don't have LOS to your target however, right?

Kevin949 wrote:

Forcast wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:The auto-miss is only for the original placement - the shot can scatter out of arc, out of LoS, out of max range...

Sweet! I'm totally using this from now on, but is there a specific reference i can use to prove this is true?

You do realize you don't place the template if you're not in range of or don't have LOS to your target however, right?

Oh i realize that, I've always done that and wont change that part of how we do things.

TheMostSlyFox wrote:I hope they change the ruling for scattering onto yourself in 6th ed.... Quite frankly, scattering BEHIND your turret mounted weapon after firing makes as much sense as killing an entire squad by shooting one guy enough times tha...... wait.... Nevermind, its 40k

Probably the best way to look at this situation is that the Emprah made a divine intervention in order to personally ensure a particular units death. Sometimes it the firing unit, sometimes it's the coward hiding behind that unit.

It doesn't really make a ton of sense to have a tank blow itself up with his own cannon. That's like someone killing themselves by eating their own head. But to justify it, I think about it like this.....that particular vehicle had a Gomer Pyle amongst its crew who decided to smack the rear end of the cannon round with his bolter one too many times.....and you can figure out the rest.

Forcast wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:The auto-miss is only for the original placement - the shot can scatter out of arc, out of LoS, out of max range...

Sweet! I'm totally using this from now on, but is there a specific reference i can use to prove this is true?

BRB 30, left column, halfway down the page.