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Well, we all know that during the Horus Heresy many astartes and primarchs fell to chaos but could or did this happen to any of the custodes?
I can't find any backgound saying it happened but then I couldn't find any saying it didn't. Is it known whether they are completely immune or anathema
to chaos such as the silent sisters were/are or only have huge measures of resistance which have always been enough.

Can they be corrupted?

I think it says in the GK codex that none of them have ever been corrupted by Chaos. It doesn't say they CAN'T be, only that in the 10,000 years they've been around, none of them ever have.

He wasn't asking about GK, but Custodians also have never ever been corrupted by Chaos. They are built to different specifications (possibly grown rather than modified from humans), one of them being utter loyalty and obedience to the Emperor (much like the mental indoctrination the Grey Knights undergo), so it seems unlikely.

The Primarchs that turned, did so because they were empty vessels shaped by their experiences (hence, Night Haunter = lived feral and alone in a world of extreme violence = falls to chaos; Corax = raised by loving father figure in an oppressed community of slave-prisoners, but a community nontheless = doesn't fall to chaos).

Omegus wrote:He wasn't asking about GK

I honestly didn't know there was a difference lol. I don't know much about the Imperium's fluff outside IG Black Templars

The Custodes are too fanatically loyal to the Emperor to turn to Chaos.

It bears noting that the Inquisition consider the Custodes to be beyond reproach. Of the two organizations that are above the Inquisitions authority to investigate, the Adeptus Custodes are one of them, the other is the God-Emperor, Himself.

Although the protection of the Emperor is the most important task in the 40k universe, surely they would be better used more in a way like pre and during heresy. Ok, even then they mainly fought by the Emperor's side but sometimes they were dispatched to lead and aid battles and keep watch on individuals. This would only use a few of their number anyway, still leaving plenty to guard the Emperor's body. I think it may say somewhere that they are still used to infiltrate noble houses and have a wider influence than just the throne room. Shouldn't they do more like this? Especially if they are fully loyal and dependable.

The Bloodbearer wrote:Although the protection of the Emperor is the most important task in the 40k universe, surely they would be better used more in a way like pre and during heresy. Ok, even then they mainly fought by the Emperor's side but sometimes they were dispatched to lead and aid battles and keep watch on individuals. This would only use a few of their number anyway, still leaving plenty to guard the Emperor's body. I think it may say somewhere that they are still used to infiltrate noble houses and have a wider influence than just the throne room. Shouldn't they do more like this? Especially if they are fully loyal and dependable.

Just like you said, they used to go out with the crusading armies. And they were extremely capable fighters,perhaps the best the Imperium has to offer. They are also masters of inflitration among other things.

It sounds like you are asking why they aren't being used like they used to.

Well, as you will find with the Imperium of Man, they do a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense. I suppose that loosing some custodes if they were deployed doesn't outweigh the good they would do. Failing that, I have no idea.

Custodes are more singular of purpose than the other military-quality organizations of the Imperium. That, in addition to what has been mentioned, could easily account for why they are incorruptable. Their wants and needs are limited to something they already have, so they can't be put under sway by anything else.

As for why they aren't deployed any longer- it may be a complex reason about guarding big E. It may be that they cannot be squandered in an endless war.

Or, it may be that anyone and everyone who had any kind of ability to send them out on a mission is either dead or THE CARRION LORD OF ALL MAN KIND WHO TALKS IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME ACCORDING TO IAN WATSON'S INQUISITOR BOOKS WHICH ARE REALLY REALLY WEIRD, EVEN FOR 40K.

The Bloodbearer wrote:Well, we all know that during the Horus Heresy many astartes and primarchs fell to chaos but could or did this happen to any of the custodes?
I can't find any backgound saying it happened but then I couldn't find any saying it didn't. Is it known whether they are completely immune or anathema
to chaos such as the silent sisters were/are or only have huge measures of resistance which have always been enough.

Can they be corrupted?

Who says they haven't been already? Seems to me like they're pretty well positioned to screw things up for everyone else, and they never have to reveal themselves.

DrimGark wrote:
Or, it may be that anyone and everyone who had any kind of ability to send them out on a mission is either dead or THE CARRION LORD OF ALL MAN KIND WHO TALKS IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME ACCORDING TO IAN WATSON'S INQUISITOR BOOKS WHICH ARE REALLY REALLY WEIRD, EVEN FOR 40K.

Those books were a terrible, squandered opportunity, and should not be mentioned.

GreatGunz wrote:

The Bloodbearer wrote:Well, we all know that during the Horus Heresy many astartes and primarchs fell to chaos but could or did this happen to any of the custodes?
I can't find any backgound saying it happened but then I couldn't find any saying it didn't. Is it known whether they are completely immune or anathema
to chaos such as the silent sisters were/are or only have huge measures of resistance which have always been enough.

Can they be corrupted?

Who says they haven't been already? Seems to me like they're pretty well positioned to screw things up for everyone else, and they never have to reveal themselves.

I would venture that something that significant would have been hinted at at least, but I don't know of any mention anywhere to even suggest that it may have happened. So I would have to conclude that it hasn't yet happened.

Omegus wrote:

DrimGark wrote:
Or, it may be that anyone and everyone who had any kind of ability to send them out on a mission is either dead or THE CARRION LORD OF ALL MAN KIND WHO TALKS IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME ACCORDING TO IAN WATSON'S INQUISITOR BOOKS WHICH ARE REALLY REALLY WEIRD, EVEN FOR 40K.

Those books were a terrible, squandered opportunity, and should not be mentioned.

I don't know, some of the parts are bad granted, but they do a nice job of setting how messed up and twisted 40k is.

When I think of the Inquisitor War I think 40k equivalent to Romeo and Juliet

Custodes were created to be loyal to the Emperor and only to him, that's why they are even willing to go up against Primarchs to ensure that the Emperors will is carried out.

The Bloodbearer wrote:Although the protection of the Emperor is the most important task in the 40k universe, surely they would be better used more in a way like pre and during heresy.

Given their limited means of procreation, this would be a terrible idea as any attrition greatly impacts their ability to do their actual job.

Pilau Rice wrote:I don't know, some of the parts are bad granted, but they do a nice job of setting how messed up and twisted 40k is.

When I think of the Inquisitor War I think 40k equivalent to Romeo and Juliet

Custodes were created to be loyal to the Emperor and only to him, that's why they are even willing to go up against Primarchs to ensure that the Emperors will is carried out.

Yes, an Inquisitor and Callidus Assassin with the personality of stupid, lovesick teenagers. How droll.

The first book and the beginning of the second weren't bad (although the whole Tyranid thing at the start was overwrought and largely unnecessary, and the writing in general was stilted and tedious to hack through), as it set up some interesting ideas. Super secret Ordo of the Inqusition! Mysterious trickster! The Emperor's fate in the Warp! A grand conspiracy with his children! The Emperor's crazy! The Black Library discovered! Secret that could change the face of the galaxy absconded with! Another secret cabal! Member of the cabal purged of his memories and now hell-bent on discovering his own conspiracy! Mystical Eldar ritual! So many interesting threads... all thrown out the window so he can run around for 600 pages looking for the ghost of his dead girlfriend and then killing himself when she doesn't initially respond well to the whole being resurrected from oblivion thing. And then the story ends, k thx bai.

Taken as a whole, they were atrocious, and in some ways, far worse than anything Goto ever put to paper. In the introduction, the author says that to this day this is his most popular/memorable work. Well, the only reason for that is because for the longest time, they were the only real 40K novels, and as several BL novels have demonstrated, people will buy anything with a 40K logo on it. If this is his best, I dread to see the rest of his garbage.

Omegus wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:I don't know, some of the parts are bad granted, but they do a nice job of setting how messed up and twisted 40k is.

When I think of the Inquisitor War I think 40k equivalent to Romeo and Juliet

Custodes were created to be loyal to the Emperor and only to him, that's why they are even willing to go up against Primarchs to ensure that the Emperors will is carried out.

Yes, an Inquisitor and Callidus Assassin with the personality of stupid, lovesick teenagers. How droll.

The first book and the beginning of the second weren't bad (although the whole Tyranid thing at the start was overwrought and largely unnecessary, and the writing in general was stilted and tedious to hack through), as it set up some interesting ideas. Super secret Ordo of the Inqusition! Mysterious trickster! The Emperor's fate in the Warp! A grand conspiracy with his children! The Emperor's crazy! The Black Library discovered! Secret that could change the face of the galaxy absconded with! Another secret cabal! Member of the cabal purged of his memories and now hell-bent on discovering his own conspiracy! Mystical Eldar ritual! So many interesting threads... all thrown out the window so he can run around for 600 pages looking for the ghost of his dead girlfriend and then killing himself when she doesn't initially respond well to the whole being resurrected from oblivion thing. And then the story ends, k thx bai.

Taken as a whole, they were atrocious, and in some ways, far worse than anything Goto ever put to paper. In the introduction, the author says that to this day this is his most popular/memorable work. Well, the only reason for that is because for the longest time, they were the only real 40K novels, and as several BL novels have demonstrated, people will buy anything with a 40K logo on it. If this is his best, I dread to see the rest of his garbage.

To each their own dude. Like I said, Romeo and Juliet, to me it's a a guy writing in 40k for a 40k audience. I've read worse, I've read better. It was definitely written in a different time and you can tell it was a time when 40k hadn't properly set itself yet. It's certainly not a rose tinted as some of the tripe that's written now.

Pilau Rice wrote:
To each their own dude. Like I said, Romeo and Juliet, to me it's a a guy writing in 40k for a 40k audience. I've read worse, I've read better. It was definitely written in a different time and you can tell it was a time when 40k hadn't properly set itself yet. It's certainly not a rose tinted as some of the tripe that's written now.

I only read the second in the series (Harlequin if I recall correctly) and didn't like it at all.

Out of curiosity, where were the Custodes when Draco entered the Throne Room of the Emperor? Seems like they should've been there but according to the second book they don't seem to have been. The Emperors speech was cool though.

I think the Custodes could probably be corrupted, but they haven't been put into a position for that to happen for thousands of years, I mean they live on the safest planet in the galaxy for humans and never leave, how much opportunity have they really been exposed to?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:
To each their own dude. Like I said, Romeo and Juliet, to me it's a a guy writing in 40k for a 40k audience. I've read worse, I've read better. It was definitely written in a different time and you can tell it was a time when 40k hadn't properly set itself yet. It's certainly not a rose tinted as some of the tripe that's written now.

I only read the second in the series (Harlequin if I recall correctly) and didn't like it at all.

Out of curiosity, where were the Custodes when Draco entered the Throne Room of the Emperor? Seems like they should've been there but according to the second book they don't seem to have been. The Emperors speech was cool though.

They managed to get around them some how There is a bit when they nearly get captured, I think, if my memory serves me correctly, that they actually kill one.

Pilau Rice wrote:[
They managed to get around them some how There is a bit when they nearly get captured, I think, if my memory serves me correctly, that they actually kill one.

Shouldn't there have been some in the actual Throne Room though? I get the whole Genestealer-hybrid distraction thing, but surely that'd make the Companions even more keen to protect the Throne Room itself.

Omegus wrote:He wasn't asking about GK, but Custodians also have never ever been corrupted by Chaos. They are built to different specifications (possibly grown rather than modified from humans), one of them being utter loyalty and obedience to the Emperor (much like the mental indoctrination the Grey Knights undergo), so it seems unlikely.

The Primarchs that turned, did so because they were empty vessels shaped by their experiences (hence, Night Haunter = lived feral and alone in a world of extreme violence = falls to chaos; Corax = raised by loving father figure in an oppressed community of slave-prisoners, but a community nontheless = doesn't fall to chaos).

It probably helps that the Emperor trusted random Custodians more than most of his Primarchs.

Anyway, to be honest: Why would any Custodians have fallen to Chaos? They rarely ventured out to fight Chaos, even pre-Heresy, and post-Heresy they don't ever leave Terra.

Well, pre-heresy there were some attached to guard the Primarchs.

They probably could, but giving that they never leave Terra that is highly unlikely.

The gk codex says that they were " free of taint but lacked the free will to..." about the custodes.

Custodes never exposed to Chaos? Haha.

Anyway, they are ridiculously loyal to the Emperor, to the point that they won't blink at having to attack a Primarch to fulfill their orders.

Omegus wrote:Custodes never exposed to Chaos? Haha.

Anyway, they are ridiculously loyal to the Emperor, to the point that they won't blink at having to attack a Primarch to fulfill their orders.

Pretty much sets them up to be uncorruptable. I don't think they are physically or mentally prone to the influence of chaos.

Well, Chaos has nothing to tempt them with.

-daemon or some other agent of Chaos- "What do you desire?"
-custodian- "To die in the service of the Emperor, protecting him and destroying his enemies."
"Pledge me your service, and I can make you a peerless warrior/sorcerer/porn star/pus bag."
"Can I use said perk to better serve the Emperor, protect him and destroy his enemies... i.e. you?"
"Uh....hmm."

It's the same deal with Grey Knights.
"Pledge me your service, and I will grant you any desire."
"Okay, my only desire is for you to not exist."
"feth."