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2012/04/07 00:00:18
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
I have some sympathy, it wasn't a wise move but was a legal one and not truly unnatural. If she was 15 lock him up, 18 is ok, just about.
What he actually did wrong is not what he is reviled for: walking out on his family. That however is so commonplace its not considered news.
Looks like someone went and did some digging though, however as they found something and if the allegations are proven true then all sympathy will evaporate.
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2012/04/07 01:52:48
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
What's the statute of limitations on this crime though? 14 years is a long time to prosecute anything short of murder. I doubt there is enough evidence for a conviction as well.
This made me go looking up age of consent legislation in the US. I had forgotten how weird it is in some places.
California's is really kind of harsh. Age of consent is reached at 18, but the close-in-age argument is not a valid defense, it just reduces the penalty. So, basically, two minors of the same can be charged for having sex. Or so sayeth Wikipedia.
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Sasori wrote:What's the statute of limitations on this crime though? 14 years is a long time to prosecute anything short of murder. I doubt there is enough evidence for a conviction as well.
10 years, but its basically from the date that the crime is reported, not committed.
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2012/04/07 03:32:30
Subject: Re:The teacher that left his family for student arrested
dogma wrote:This made me go looking up age of consent legislation in the US. I had forgotten how weird it is in some places.
California's is really kind of harsh. Age of consent is reached at 18, but the close-in-age argument is not a valid defense, it just reduces the penalty. So, basically, two minors of the same can be charged for having sex. Or so sayeth Wikipedia.
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Sasori wrote:What's the statute of limitations on this crime though? 14 years is a long time to prosecute anything short of murder. I doubt there is enough evidence for a conviction as well.
10 years, but its basically from the date that the crime is reported, not committed.
Are you sure? I just read the article on it, on Wiki, and it seemed to indicate when the crime was committed. I can't quite decipher all the Law-jargon throughout the rest of it though, so you could be right. Perhaps a Lawyer could fill us in?
There were a lot of people on Dakka that had the guy pegged right from the time the first story about him and his student came out.
I've seen first hand the wreckage a teacher that pulls this crap does to a family, so I hope they throw the book at this guy.
2012/04/07 04:34:44
Subject: Re:The teacher that left his family for student arrested
Sasori wrote:
Are you sure? I just read the article on it, on Wiki, and it seemed to indicate when the crime was committed. I can't quite decipher all the Law-jargon throughout the rest of it though, so you could be right. Perhaps a Lawyer could fill us in?
I found this...
For criminal cases, a prosecutor may file a charge of aggravated rape at any time, with no limitation (in California, an aggravated rape is rape that involves a weapon, more than one person, or seriously injures the victim). Prosecution for "normal" sexual assault has a statute of limitations of six years. However, there is an exception made for DNA analysis. Since it is a relatively new technology, if a DNA test can conclusively prove the identity of a rapist, prosecution can take place within one year of the discovery.
In regards to child molestation, there has been a series of great upheavals regarding the statute of limitations in California. In the early 1990s, the legislature passed a bill that retroactively waived the statute of limitations for all crimes of child molestation, meaning even people who were previously immune to prosecution could suddenly be arrested. This law was overturned as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in a recent case, so now the law's retroactive provision is eliminated.
What remains is a 10 year statute of limitations for child molestation. HOWEVER, the crime can also be prosecuted within one year of WHENEVER a victim tells the police (even past the 10 year mark). This sounds rather contradictory, because this means that the 10 year limitation is essentially pointless, but it is the current law of the land. The California legislature is constantly debating about this, so the law may change in the near future. You should talk to a California attorney familiar with these cases for the most up to date information.
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that in class. I asked her to stop. She asked why. "Think about it," I said.
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2012/04/07 05:56:11
Subject: Re:The teacher that left his family for student arrested
Sasori wrote:
Are you sure? I just read the article on it, on Wiki, and it seemed to indicate when the crime was committed. I can't quite decipher all the Law-jargon throughout the rest of it though, so you could be right. Perhaps a Lawyer could fill us in?
I found this...
For criminal cases, a prosecutor may file a charge of aggravated rape at any time, with no limitation (in California, an aggravated rape is rape that involves a weapon, more than one person, or seriously injures the victim). Prosecution for "normal" sexual assault has a statute of limitations of six years. However, there is an exception made for DNA analysis. Since it is a relatively new technology, if a DNA test can conclusively prove the identity of a rapist, prosecution can take place within one year of the discovery.
In regards to child molestation, there has been a series of great upheavals regarding the statute of limitations in California. In the early 1990s, the legislature passed a bill that retroactively waived the statute of limitations for all crimes of child molestation, meaning even people who were previously immune to prosecution could suddenly be arrested. This law was overturned as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in a recent case, so now the law's retroactive provision is eliminated.
What remains is a 10 year statute of limitations for child molestation. HOWEVER, the crime can also be prosecuted within one year of WHENEVER a victim tells the police (even past the 10 year mark). This sounds rather contradictory, because this means that the 10 year limitation is essentially pointless, but it is the current law of the land. The California legislature is constantly debating about this, so the law may change in the near future. You should talk to a California attorney familiar with these cases for the most up to date information.
According to the California statue of limitations, the prosecution for a sex crime against an under 18 must begin before the alleged victim's 28th birthday, or within 10 years.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/ wrote:
801.1. (a) Notwithstanding any other limitation of time described in this chapter, prosecution for a felony offense described in Section 261, 286, 288, 288.5, 288a, or 289, or Section 289.5, as enacted by Chapter 293 of the Statutes of 1991 relating to penetration by an unknown object, that is alleged to have been committed when the victim was under the age of 18 years, may be commenced any time prior to the victim's 28th birthday.
(b) Notwithstanding any other limitation of time described in this chapter, if subdivision (a) does not apply, prosecution for a felony offense described in subdivision (c) of Section 290 shall be commenced within 10 years after commission of the offense.
If the alleged crime was against a 17-year old 14 years ago, the limitation has clearly been reached.
The court appointed lawyer will probably get this guy off in five minutes, however his relationship with the 18-year old has been broken up, which no doubt was the purpose of the arrest.
Well, as I said in the last thread the bloke is clearly a spanker, what did he did was morally wrong, but I genuinely think this is over the to, whats to be gained by his arrest now?!
Seriously, is being an arsehole punishable with prison? Its not like she was 8 years old or anything.
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2012/04/07 08:35:09
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
mattyrm wrote: Well, as I said in the last thread the bloke is clearly a spanker, what did he did was morally wrong, but I genuinely think this is over the to, whats to be gained by his arrest now?!
Seriously, is being an arsehole punishable with prison? Its not like she was 8 years old or anything.
If he's anything like the teacher that started hitting on my friend while she was underage, and from all appearances he seems to be, I'd like to see the bastard locked up for a few years.
The relationship she had turned early on to a sexual one with both denying anything was going on, and he was all the while using a lot of mind games on her, taking advantage of her rift with her parents. At one point after they were married with kids, he threatened to kill her family if she left him, and it just spiralled from there.
The kicker came when he brought home a new girlfriend and announced she was going to live with them and if my friend didn't like it, she could leave. She took that as her que to go, but by that time she was really messed up by his manipulations and abuse to the point she was years coming out from under all of it.
2012/04/07 09:00:55
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
mattyrm wrote: Well, as I said in the last thread the bloke is clearly a spanker, what did he did was morally wrong, but I genuinely think this is over the to, whats to be gained by his arrest now?!
Seriously, is being an arsehole punishable with prison? Its not like she was 8 years old or anything.
If he's anything like the teacher that started hitting on my friend while she was underage, and from all appearances he seems to be, I'd like to see the bastard locked up for a few years.
The relationship she had turned early on to a sexual one with both denying anything was going on, and he was all the while using a lot of mind games on her, taking advantage of her rift with her parents. At one point after they were married with kids, he threatened to kill her family if she left him, and it just spiralled from there.
The kicker came when he brought home a new girlfriend and announced she was going to live with them and if my friend didn't like it, she could leave. She took that as her que to go, but by that time she was really messed up by his manipulations and abuse to the point she was years coming out from under all of it.
...or it could be a romantic tale of love overcoming adversity. We won't know til we see the screenplay.
2012/04/09 02:37:14
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
Necroshea wrote:This is good news. I was hoping that bastard didn't get off scot-free.
In the words of our spiritual founder: Let the slaughter begin!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2012/04/09 03:35:24
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
mattyrm wrote: Well, as I said in the last thread the bloke is clearly a spanker, what did he did was morally wrong, but I genuinely think this is over the to, whats to be gained by his arrest now?!
They're basically tarring and feathering him. At least if there is no exception for his behavior (meaning, he can actually be prosecuted) in California law.
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2012/04/09 11:31:34
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
mattyrm wrote: Well, as I said in the last thread the bloke is clearly a spanker, what did he did was morally wrong, but I genuinely think this is over the to, whats to be gained by his arrest now?!
They're basically tarring and feathering him. At least if there is no exception for his behavior (meaning, he can actually be prosecuted) in California law.
Per the talking head on the news this morning, the girl called him in jail and dumped him. YES!
Frazzled told you so.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2012/04/09 12:18:33
Subject: Re:The teacher that left his family for student arrested
"Hooker told her he met the other student, who was 17 in 1998, online.
"He hung out with her just as friends and then he went to her house and she came out of the bathroom naked and he only touched her boobs and her legs," Powers said. "He was freaked out so he left and went home. He said nothing else happened, but all of that was a lie."
Lol
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2012/04/09 13:58:01
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2012/04/09 14:14:37
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
Thats what he gets for dating a fething teen. Dont older guys remeber/understand that yes, they maybe jailbait, but all teen women are fething dramatic nutbags
2012/04/09 18:19:16
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
rubiksnoob wrote:But how's he going to change his facebook relationship status from jail?
His bunkmate will change it to "married" for him.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2012/04/10 18:12:17
Subject: The teacher that left his family for student arrested
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