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I know nothing of the new necrons, And have the past two games almost lost to them due to Mind shackle scarabs. I need to know exactly how these things work. Can the necron player target any model of mine in close combat to have it pass the leadership. Or as i seen in the White dwarf, Is it a random chosen model? Also.. Is there anything other then shooting the hell out of them i can do to combat these Mind shackle scarabs

Also as i just thought about it.. Can i take cover saves from that Lightning Imotek (or-whatever the top necron hq is) spits out every turn that the 'storm" is on the table.

Mind Shackle Scarabs work on a random model in base contact with that model. You need to be careful to follow the rules for moving assaulting models correctly, as well as those for Defenders React moves.

If the Necron player is smart and sets up his charge or Defenders React move so that the Lord or Overlord equipped with Mindshackle is only in base contact with one model, that is the only model which can be affected.


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For your second question, the Lighting isn't considered to come from Imotekh, so you'll only get cover if you're in area terrain or within the radius of some special rule which grants you a cover save, like Shield of Sanguinius, Conceal, a Kustom Force Field, or Smoke Launchers.

Thank you very much, and i am embarrassed to say..but the rule for 'random" should be in the BRB correct? I have never had to come across it before.

Just out of curiosity how would you randomly select a model ?

If you had say 2 marines 1 Sergeant and Magnus Calgar all in base to base contact what would you do ?

The Necron Dex does not say roll for the model but for the Necron player to randomly select a enemy model ,so if i said Magnus take the LD test that would be random

snakel wrote:Just out of curiosity how would you randomly select a model ?

If you had say 2 marines 1 Sergeant and Magnus Calgar all in base to base contact what would you do ?

The Necron Dex does not say roll for the model but for the Necron player to randomly select a enemy model ,so if i said Magnus take the LD test that would be random

The underlined is not random.

Assign each one a number and roll a D6.

That is probably the easiest way to randomize anything.

Which our local necron player has been doing. he has been simply choosing which models to hit with the MSS. Now let me ask this.. If the leadership is failed. Are the hits from the model that fails it on the unit..or on himself?

Unit if I remember right.

From Codex: Necrons FAQ. Which you can get here.

Q: If a single model fails the Leadership test caused by
mindshackle scarabs, will his Attacks be resolved
against himself? (p81)
A: Yes.

Q: If an Independent Character that has joined a unit is
affected by mindshackle scarabs will his attacks be
resolved against the unit he has joined? (p81)
A: Yes.

MSS is rolled for, in your example I'd say 4+ it's Calgar.

Area Terrain, KFF or Smoke Launchers are the only thing that gives cover from Imotekh's Lightening

ToBeWilly wrote:From Codex: Necrons FAQ. Which you can get here.

Q: If a single model fails the Leadership test caused by
mindshackle scarabs, will his Attacks be resolved
against himself? (p81)
A: Yes.

Q: If an Independent Character that has joined a unit is
affected by mindshackle scarabs will his attacks be
resolved against the unit he has joined? (p81)
A: Yes.

Thank you so very very much. I will be bringing my Ipad to show our local Cron' player this.. and have a few choice words lol. Thank you everyone for the help.

Arrathon wrote:Thank you so very very much. I will be bringing my Ipad to show our local Cron' player this.. and have a few choice words lol. Thank you everyone for the help.

GW official FAQ
Necron FAQ
The PDFReader app will let you save these on the iPad. I never go to war without it! Especially as Army Builder lets you save your lists as PDF'. Saves on trees...

That's funny, i also bring my ipad with me to play,but its more for my commission prices when people ask lol. I will have to add everyone's faq's to it instead of just my own.

I would recommend having everyone's FAQs handy it help out immensely when a question comes up and you have them handy. I really wish GW sold PDFs of their codexes and rulebook so I could keep some of the more popular ones in my area handy for reference.

Arrathon wrote:

Thank you so very very much. I will be bringing my Ipad to show our local Cron' player this.. and have a few choice words lol. Thank you everyone for the help.

Before you share your choice words with the opponent, be sure to remember that it IS easily possible for a model with MSS to target 1 specific model, such as a model with a power fist.

If the power fist model is the only model in base contact then he is the only model that may be randomly chosen.

If I charge in I can easily place my model with MSS in base contact with only your power fist model, and if I can manage to prevent you from having room to move anyone else into base contact with him on the defenders react move, I can force you to make the test on the power fist model.

BarBoBot wrote:

Arrathon wrote:

Thank you so very very much. I will be bringing my Ipad to show our local Cron' player this.. and have a few choice words lol. Thank you everyone for the help.

Before you share your choice words with the opponent, be sure to remember that it IS easily possible for a model with MSS to target 1 specific model, such as a model with a power fist.

If the power fist model is the only model in base contact then he is the only model that may be randomly chosen.

If I charge in I can easily place my model with MSS in base contact with only your power fist model, and if I can manage to prevent you from having room to move anyone else into base contact with him on the defenders react move, I can force you to make the test on the power fist model.

Unless your opponent is smart and surrounds the Pfist model with regular dudes. a Tactic I employ regularly against my local Necron Player. It upsets him greatly.

Remember MSS targets only models in base contact. If somehow the lord is not in base contact with any mode, then MSS cannot be used.

To randomly select a model. - lets say you have 4 models. Just assign a number to each 1, 2, 3, 4. On a 5 or 6 reroll. This gives you a perfectly equal chance for each.

DeathReaper wrote:

BarBoBot wrote:

Arrathon wrote:

Thank you so very very much. I will be bringing my Ipad to show our local Cron' player this.. and have a few choice words lol. Thank you everyone for the help.

Before you share your choice words with the opponent, be sure to remember that it IS easily possible for a model with MSS to target 1 specific model, such as a model with a power fist.

If the power fist model is the only model in base contact then he is the only model that may be randomly chosen.

If I charge in I can easily place my model with MSS in base contact with only your power fist model, and if I can manage to prevent you from having room to move anyone else into base contact with him on the defenders react move, I can force you to make the test on the power fist model.

Unless your opponent is smart and surrounds the Pfist model with regular dudes. a Tactic I employ regularly against my local Necron Player. It upsets him greatly.

Or just take every wound recieved on the Power Fist guy, as my BA friend does (annoyingly)

IHateNids wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

BarBoBot wrote:

Arrathon wrote:

Thank you so very very much. I will be bringing my Ipad to show our local Cron' player this.. and have a few choice words lol. Thank you everyone for the help.

Before you share your choice words with the opponent, be sure to remember that it IS easily possible for a model with MSS to target 1 specific model, such as a model with a power fist.

If the power fist model is the only model in base contact then he is the only model that may be randomly chosen.

If I charge in I can easily place my model with MSS in base contact with only your power fist model, and if I can manage to prevent you from having room to move anyone else into base contact with him on the defenders react move, I can force you to make the test on the power fist model.

Unless your opponent is smart and surrounds the Pfist model with regular dudes. a Tactic I employ regularly against my local Necron Player. It upsets him greatly.

Or just take every wound recieved on the Power Fist guy, as my BA friend does (annoyingly)

@ deathreaper: Yeah, your definitely right about that being a smart way to counter it. I was just pointing out that its absolutely possible to force a single model of my choice to take the MSS test, so the OP should make sure his opponent was doing it wrong before yelling at him.

@ IHateNids: Can you explain what you mean? You cant just stack all the wounds on 1 model, you have to allocate 1 wound to each model before any model may take a second wound, unless your referring to something else

My probelm is he is runing 2 squads, with Lords in them (i guess thats what they are) whom have mind shackle scarabs. This eats my grey knight units alive.

Ugh i typed that wrong.. 2 squads each with 3 mind shackle scarabs

BarBoBot wrote:
@ IHateNids: Can you explain what you mean? You cant just stack all the wounds on 1 model, you have to allocate 1 wound to each model before any model may take a second wound, unless your referring to something else

He takes saves on each model that have a wound caused from a type of weapon. he takes all the wounds from the Warscythes and then all the Hyperphase Swords on the special guys.

EG there is 3 wounds from Warscythes and 3 Wounds from Hyperphase swords. There is a PFist, a Libby, and a MSS'd TH (terminator squad). He will take a save from the warscythe on the MSS'd guy first, so then he can stack another Hyperphase wound later in the combat, to increase the chance the TH will die, and not strike at his own unit

Thats true, but I would still settle for them losing their PF model

BarBoBot wrote:I don't have my codex with me, (at work) but doesn't the model affected by MSS strike at their normal initiative?

If that's the case, then all those hyperphase swords and Warscythe attacks would take place after the MSS marine makes his attacks.

Again, I don't have access to my dex right now so I could be wrong.

The marine has a Thunder Hammer which swings at I1. As does a Power Fist, the other example given in the thread.

Yeah lol realized that just after I posted that, you beat my edit :p

BarBoBot wrote:Thats true, but I would still settle for them losing their PF model

That would be good enough for me!

Additional question.

Lets say both untis are still locked in cc the following round.

Does MSS take place again the second round though no actual charge happened?

Came up recently in game.

Thanks!

Skerr wrote:Additional question.

Lets say both untis are still locked in cc the following round.

Does MSS take place again the second round though no actual charge happened?

Came up recently in game.

Thanks!

Yes it does go off again, afaik

That is what I thought.

I have a buddy that debated it since it said assault phase he felt it should happen with a charge. No charge no MSS.

Thanks for clarifying.

The assault phase always happens. It does not say "when assaulting" or "assaulting unit" or anything else that precludes it happening every phase.