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so i have never actually played a game of Infinity

but it looks really awesome

anyway i was browsing through the site found the army generator and wrote up a list with some models i thought looked cool. and was wondering if it was a viable list/starting spot



HASSASSIN BAHRAM
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 7/Irrs: 0):

GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (13)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Lieutenant

2x GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (13)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable

GHULAM Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (17)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Doctor

LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife (29 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
CH: Mimetism, Climbing Plus, Religious Troop, X Visor

LASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (26)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
CH: Mimetism, Climbing Plus, Religious Troop, X Visor

2x NASMAT Electric Pulse (3)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Servant
CH: Mimetism

FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (33)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L3, Basic Impersonation, Religious Troop


150 Points | SWC: 1.5

ARMY CODE: eNozMVI1UrNQM6wxUjNAIs2BpJmaIZgEiRiaIlMWasZqhgB3UAzM
Army Infinity v.3.0. - http://www.devilteam.com


so here is the plan....or what i hope will happen based on what i read.

Fiday (love the name) starts on the opponents side of the field and places three mines to try to funnel the opponent into a field of fire. then gets into a good firing/ maybe cc position

the Lasiq with the sniper rifle sets up so that the Fiday's mines will force the opponent into her view.

the Lasiq with the viral rifle will go forward and just kill stuff escorted by the Ghulam

the lutenent and the other Gulam will go up the field on the other side from the Lasiq/ghulam pair.

Doctor stays back and orders the one remote to stay with the sniper and the other to follow the viral rifle Lasiq to keep him alive

the only problem is idk if i can have two remotes for one doctor


but other then that good or not?

C&C please

I've not played it much either, but I can tell you that only having one plan (particularly one you came up with before even playing) will get your bottom handed to you. As they say, no battle plan survives contact with the enemy. Get playing, find out what does and doesn't work before you start playing master strategist.

As for your question about remotes: Yes, you can have more than one servant remote per doctor/engineer, but they can only be activated one at a time and don't provide orders.

However, there is another problem here. A hacker or a TAG is a pre-requisite for taking remotes in a force - and I don't think Ghost: Servant grants an exception.

MarcoSkoll wrote:I've not played it much either, but I can tell you that only having one plan (particularly one you came up with before even playing) will get your bottom handed to you. As they say, no battle plan survives contact with the enemy. Get playing, find out what does and doesn't work before you start playing master strategist.

As for your question about remotes: Yes, you can have more than one servant remote per doctor/engineer, but they can only be activated one at a time and don't provide orders.

However, there is another problem here. A hacker or a TAG is a pre-requisite for taking remotes in a force - and I don't think Ghost: Servant grants an exception.

i looked up Ghost: Servant on the infinity wiki

"This Special Skill allows a Doctor or an Engineer to operate or repair by tele-presence through a Remote. Only figures with the Doctor or Engineer Special Skillcan use Remotes with Ghost: Servant. Before the battle starts it is compulsory to determine which figure will control each Servant Remote, which cannot be used by any other miniature. "

question were does it say that you need a hacker?

It's the rules for remotes:
Rulebook, p129: "Remotes (REM): Semiautonomous support units, fast and versatile but with limited armour. Remotes require a Hacker or a T.A.G on the battlefield to be deployed, but they keep acting normally even if this dies."

Nasmats are remotes, and I'm not aware of anything in the rules for Ghost: Servant that grants an exception to the requirements for fielding remotes. I may be wrong, but I think Servant Remotes therefore require a hacker as well as the Doctor/Engineer they're servile to.

ghost: synchronized and g:servant do not require hackers. Their entries are a bit vague but I'm 100% sure. Also when you take any other remote in Armybuilder it will give you red "can't have rem without hacker" in army check option. It doesn't react like that to nasmats.

As the list itself. It's solid. Even not maxing out swc doesn't seem to be a problem, with fiday and two viral rifles there is plenty of killing power.
As has been said, however, do not count too much on a battle plan, in practice the game may play differently than you think, an a lot depends on terrain and what your opponent brings.

I'll admit that it sounded odd/wrong enough to me that I went and checked the descriptions, errata and FAQs. The best I found is that the terminology used in the Hacking rules is "controlling a remote", and Ghost:Servant/Synchronised allow Doctors/Engineers/Non-hacker models to "control" the model, but that's far from a clear exception to the normal rules for taking remotes in a force.

Surely something like that must have been FAQed... is there a FAQ version out there I'm missing?

I agree it's vague at best. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any clear faq on the subject.

Ghost: Servant and Ghost: Synchronized remotes are considered equipment.

In case it matters, the Spanish and French versions explicitly say that a non-hacker can control and deploy a G: Servant REM.

Plus, the Army Builder lets you take them without a hacker.

What does Regular and Not Impetius mean?

Regular is the opposite of Irregular.
Irregular troops do NOT lend an order to the orders pool for your turn. Their order can only be spent on themselves.
Not a terrible drawback, but can limit your tactical flexibility.
http://infinitythegame.wikispot.org/Instruction

Not-Impetuous is the opposite of Impetuous.
Impetuous troops are given an EXTRA order that can only be spent on themselves, MUST be spent at the beginning of the turn, and the first short order MUST be movement towards the nearest enemy you're aware of.
http://infinitythegame.wikispot.org/Fury

Most normal troops are Not Impetuous and Regular.

Just a quick edit there. Impetuous models are granted an extra Impetuous Order that happens before any regular or irregular orders are used for that turn. One of the two short skills of the order must be a move of their full first MOV value and it must be in the fastest path/most direct route to the nearest enemy model on the board. the sequence of short skills can be:

Move + Move
Move + Attack
Move + Climbing
Move + Dodge
Move + Jump
Move + Swim
Get Up + Move (whole MOV value)

You may however reverse them all except Get Up + Move. So you could do climb + move or attack + move, however you must always use your first MOV value.

Impetuous models may also move in such away to avoid dangerous paths such as climbing when there is an alternative or a path blocked by suppression fire. Remember they are pissed off, not suicidal.

Absolutionis wrote:In case it matters, the Spanish and French versions explicitly say that a non-hacker can control and deploy a G: Servant REM.

Yet another of the trials and travails of a translated ruleset, it seems.

Consider the statement withdrawn. (Not, however, the statement that says Corvus Belli need to set the record straight.)

Also, just a a heads-up you could take Daylami instead of Ghulam Infantry, thus making you able to operate without a Lieutenant (Religious troops on the Hassasin units and Irregular on the Daylami make them able to operate without a Lt.) - it is an option that I believe Hassasin Bahram promotes - with their starter pack and the idea behind the army.

Not a bad list for 150pts. I'm not sure if you are aware but you selected the Sectoral list. Nothing wrong with that at all. The only thing that makes it complicated is if you want to do a link team. Which you don't have to do.

Alkasyn wrote:Also, just a a heads-up you could take Daylami instead of Ghulam Infantry, thus making you able to operate without a Lieutenant (Religious troops on the Hassasin units and Irregular on the Daylami make them able to operate without a Lt.) - it is an option that I believe Hassasin Bahram promotes - with their starter pack and the idea behind the army.

Oh I know it's a brahram I did it on purpose cause there weren't really any of the other models iliked and the thought of an elite killing unit is AWESOME

I read up on doing a link team but am really confused on two things.

1 how many orders does a linked team with 3 models produce?
2 what happenes if one of the linked models is my Lt?

The only thing I am slightly scared of is it seems like I would be putting all my eggs in a couple of expensive basckets.

Idk is doing a link team really that good?

1. 3 orders.
2. You can't use axtra Lt order for a whole team so if you do Link team would break. Other than that no consequences. Lt in a link team is usually good option as link teams are good defensively.

You are not putting everything in one (couple?) basket(s). You have 3 strong offensive models and a fairly strong link team (for a 150 game). As long as fiday or any Lasique lives or link team is intact you have something to fight with. If all Lasiques, Fiday are dead and link team is broken it means you have only 40 points left on table and probably lost anyway. With evenly distributed points, a doctor and 2 Nasmats your list is actually quite conservative, not ballsy.

Yes Link teams are very good. They are the main advantage of going sectorial. Full link team gets +3 BS +3 Willpower (for discovery rolls) +1 Burst and Sixth Sense 2. That's a lot. Drop a heavy weapon in a link team and it becomes a monster. The only problem is that you can't make a full link team of Ghulams in Bahram as they are ava 4.

Rejnhard wrote:1. 3 orders.
2. You can't use axtra Lt order for a whole team so if you do Link team would break. Other than that no consequences. Lt in a link team is usually good option as link teams are good defensively.

You are not putting everything in one (couple?) basket(s). You have 3 strong offensive models and a fairly strong link team (for a 150 game). As long as fiday or any Lasique lives or link team is intact you have something to fight with. If all Lasiques, Fiday are dead and link team is broken it means you have only 40 points left on table and probably lost anyway. With evenly distributed points, a doctor and 2 Nasmats your list is actually quite conservative, not ballsy.

Yes Link teams are very good. They are the main advantage of going sectorial. Full link team gets +3 BS +3 Willpower (for discovery rolls) +1 Burst and Sixth Sense 2. That's a lot. Drop a heavy weapon in a link team and it becomes a monster. The only problem is that you can't make a full link team of Ghulams in Bahram as they are ava 4.

thank you. i guess i just dont know exactly what would be considered putting a lot into one thing. i am just used to fighting giant units of terminators is all so i like to keep things small and seperate.

thanks for all the Input guys

Yup this list would work great. The only thing I would caution is that if you are playing a new player keep the fiday out. Impersonators are very hard to deal with and 10x more so for a new player. it may give an "unbalance" feel to them.

I agree with BD on the Fiday. You might want try a Muyib or Asawira.

CDK wrote:I agree with BD on the Fiday. You might want try a Muyib or Asawira.

I took a look At the Asawira..... I WANT ONE

so here is a revised list.

HASSASSIN BAHRAM
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 6/Irrs: 0):

GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (13)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Lieutenant

2x GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (13)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable

GHULAM Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (17)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Doctor

LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife (29 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
CH: Mimetism, Climbing Plus, Religious Troop, X Visor

2x NASMAT Electric Pulse (3)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Servant
CH: Mimetism

ASAWIRA AP Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW (59)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:14 PH:14 WIP:15 ARM:3 BTS:-3 W:2
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Linkable
Martial Arts L2, Regeneration


150 Points | SWC: 1.5

ARMY CODE: eNozMVI1UrNQM6wxUjNAIs2BpJmaIZA0NAULQSlzEAkALLkLaQ==
Army Infinity v.3.0. - http://www.devilteam.com

a thought ocurred to me... make the Asawira the Lt?

he has two wounds.... but i feel like everyone will be trying to shoot him.... thoughts?