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I have just received my copy of Monstrous Arcanum and having been told that the monsters can be used in regular Warhammer Games not just SOM games (both by the book and the designer during an interview put forward the notion that these can be used in regular warhammer games),
i'm unsure how to use them within the game and looking for some advice...

As i don't use binding scrolls (in regular games) are the monsters added just put in your 'rares' allowance or added as 'extra' to your army?

I'd have no objection to them being used as rares.

Indeed imo it would be a good thing if more people started using the allies rules and just took what they fancy.

I would say they are Rares for sure(unless I believe the book has a chart in the back which says who gets what and where)

Yeah the book has a chart for each army relating to the monsters and they come under 3 categories

Kinship - Have as many as you like within your magic and monsters limit
Scroll of binding - follow the scroll binding rules
Abhorrent - only 1 allowed with scrolls

So i am thnking that monsters with 'kinship' are allowed with your army, but not sure about the rest (as no use of scrolls) or just use any as to add a bit of flavour to your army? (although adhering to your army flavour, etc.. i wouldn't use a rat monster in my empire army )

And use as a rare selection or as an addition to your army (so a 1500 point army could have 1100 points from the army book and a 400 point additional monster (as ally) ...

not sure what would work., but reading the rules, seems i can use a dragon with my Dwarf army 'Shard Dragon' has kinship with them....


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Ok, after discussing it with the manager and staff, here's how my local GW store advised to handle it with regards to normal games not using bound scrolls.
Using the Monster/Army table at the back of the Monstrous Arcanum book...

Monsters with the 'Kinship' rule to your army = Count as rare choice and can have as many as you want (providing you have the rare points available).
Monsters with the 'bound' rule to your army= Allowed only 1 as a rare choice.
Monsters with the 'Abhorrent' rule to your army = not allowed in your army.
same rules for large units (such as wolf rats/Fimir warriors) but regarded as 'special' not 'rare'.

i think these rules work pretty well and allow plenty of monsrtous freedom (looking forward to adding a shard dragon or warpfire dragon to my Lizardmen army)

That's a decent way to include them in regular games. Remember, it's basically a house rule though, so don't expect it to fly with a lot of people.

I would be fine with it. I love big monsters

Same. The main reason I was annoyed with Storm of Magic is, while it added big monsters for all, it also wrapped it in a gametype I'm not overly impressed with (uber uber magic that's more powerful than the already uber magic, teleporting in regiments from other armies, and other silliness). I liked the point cost implementation (extra points on top of what you're already playing) though, but not being required to play the SoM scenario to use the new fun monsters.

Monstrous Arcanum being used as a 'bestiary' (it also includes all of the SoM monsters in its list at the back) for regular games is what I wanted out of SoM.

I do wish they had placed a page (or even half a page) explaining how to use the monsters in regular games and not leave it upto personal intepretation, as even the beginning of the book states they can be used in regular warhammer games but no instructions how to do so...

You guys..... Maybe MA is a warhammer army book.... WIth monsters as core

Johnny-Crass wrote:You guys..... Maybe MA is a warhammer army book.... WIth monsters as core

I'd play that.

Acardia wrote:

Johnny-Crass wrote:You guys..... Maybe MA is a warhammer army book.... WIth monsters as core

I'd play that.

I'd be like the wrestling...

Bring it on! I'll just use Purple Sun and skinks xD