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Vulkan He’stan 190

Tactical Squad (Melta, Multi-melta, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 220
Tactical Squad (Melta, Multi-melta, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 220
Tactical Squad (Melta, Multi-melta, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 220

5 Terminators (Thunder Hammer/ Storm Shields) 200
Land Raider Redeemer (Multi Melta) 250

4 Attack Bikes (MM) 200

Simple and deadly I think! Recently been converted to attack bikes over speeders by a friend, working a treat! Thoughts please?

Looks good to me. I'd just worry about people focusing your land raider and getting your termies stranded.

They DO take some focussing at range though, and then he's gonna have a boat load of powered armoured (accurate) melta midfield. I mean I'd probably deploy side on with a Rhino covering 50% if they have first turn. Then smoke up if we're all okay, flame something next turn and POTMS something else!

I mean Land Raider's are always a risk, but hey ho. So you wouldn't change anything else?

you could drop the attack bikes and a couple of combis and replace one of the rhinos with another redeemer

i dont know about you but 2 redeemers would terrify me and with 2 of them your not likely to lose both

Yeah it could be done. 2 Problems though- you're right, I'm not likely to lose both, however, you can bet your bottom dollar the one I do lose will have 200pts of terms and 190pts of HQ in it...

Secondly, the attack bikes are pretty integral to the list- they're my harrow units. I mean it can work without them, but then at the end of the day if they're not there the opponent has to avoid 5 boxes. I don't know, I mean what do others think?

It's a good suggestion though, and I don't want to be that guy who just turns down suggestions without thinking about it.

yea i see what you mean i do love attack bikes myself but ive always been drawn to the idea of having 2 land raiders this just looks like the list it could work in

though i mite point out that with 2 LR on the table people \re going to ignore your rhino tac squads most of the time...

I would consider dropping one attack bike and run them as 3 single units or if its killpoints you can just run them as 2 and 1 or 3. With the 50 points saved I would put a powerweapon on each tac squad or add another terminator whichever you think will be more effective(IMO the power weapons would just to give a little bit pushback in assault).

It looks very good and fun all in all, I like it. Just be careful with your rhinos; they are really to pop open

You can't just alter your force organisation chart just 'cos killpoints comes up haha

I agree about some killing power in the tac squads. My thinking was, if I can't have fists I aint gonna bother! But PW really can turn the tide against certain units.

Can't fit another terminator in the raider though.

Any other suggestions?

I'm just curious, why the attack bikes rather than speeders? Especially since you can do MM/HF speeders?

There are a few reasons! Firstly, attack bikes have greater resilience versus krak missiles and lascannons than the speeders. They can get better cover saves, are easier to hide and laugh off bolter shots which could stun a speeder. You can never stun a bike, and it can never lose its weapon. And then theres the cost as well. 50 versus 60, or 70 with a flamer. Not much, but then 1500pts can be tight.

I mean it is a personal choice- speeders do have advantages such as being able to fly right over terrain and melt stuff, they can DS etc, but I just feel bikes fit the list better.

I think your a bit hefty on the tactical marines for 1500 pts really. Which would be fine aside from a lot of your points are going into the redeemer. I think you need ... more stuff. Aside from the Redeemer I think Orks would roll over the top of you as it is.

I would drop a tactical squad and a couple of attack bikes to put a couple of dreadnoughts with MM/HF in drop pods, and swap one of your tactical marines to pod as well so you have the choice over what two pods you want first turn. It gives you a little bit of horde control and an alpha strike capability