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What are some thoughts on a list looking roughly like this..

Overlord, Warscythe, CCB, Semp Weave

Court
2 x DestrucTeks

Overlord, Phaeron, Rez Orb

20 warriors (w/Phaeron)
9 Warriors in Ghost Ark (w/Cryptek)
5 Warriors in Ghost Ark
10 Immortals (tesla) (w/Cryptek)

5 Deathmarks
5 Deathmarks

5 Scarabs
5 Scarabs

Annihilation Barge

This fits into 1500 points.

Thoughts?

I don't think you've got a huge amount of serious anti tank. You've got two Lanceteks, small Scarab units which aren't going to do a fat lot, both single Barges and gauss. You'd be better off ditching the Scarabs and getting another two Annihilation Barges.

I also don't see much point putting the tesla Immortals with the Lancetek. The lance is busting vehicles, S5 is firing at infantry. It's not so bad with gauss as they can glance any vehicle on a 6+.

The weave probably isn't needed on the Overlord. You should be moving flatout most the time cutting things to pieces. If you get out then it's because you're tying a annoying unit up or been blown out your ride :(.

Hmm, your list... I'm not sure what it's trying to do.

If you're taking Deathmarks in squads of 5... where are your corresponding Harbingers of Despair to pull off the combo?

Apart from that, Scarabs in anything less than 7 bases per unit are just asking to get squished. Either combine them into one 7-10 base unit, or use their points on something else.

And I agree about the HoDestruction not seeming to fit with the Immortals. Perhaps ditch him, and use his points to give the other HoDestruct a Solar Pulse? (THAT will be points well spent)

You don't need Despairteks in order to get deathmarks to work.
5 man units are capable of working perfectly by themselves.

The scarabs could use some beefing up, and I would put the second cryptek with the 5 warriors in the GA. They don't go well with immortals imo.

Well, yes, he doesn't NEED to take DespairTeks with his Deathmarks, but I figured your average player wouldnt turn their nose up at an S8 AP2 Flame template weapon, ESPECIALLY if joining it with the Deathmarks made it wound on a 2+ (even if it's just against one unit, that's still a Deathstar killer that shouldn't easily be dismissed)

hmm.. I might look at reworking this then maybe.

Any other advice/suggestions?

Posters keep saying that the abyssal staff is S8, which sounds impressive until one reads the rules and sees that it has to wound against leadership rather than toughness. An argument can be made that it is still useful for instant-death purposes, but the official update clarified that leadership is used for that as well. So, what is the big deal with the staff's S8? It cannot be used against vehicles either, as vehicles don't have a leadership statistic.

Necrontyr40k wrote:Posters keep saying that the abyssal staff is S8, which sounds impressive until one reads the rules and sees that it has to wound against leadership rather than toughness. An argument can be made that it is still useful for instant-death purposes, but the official update clarified that leadership is used for that as well. So, what is the big deal with the staff's S8? It cannot be used against vehicles either, as vehicles don't have a leadership statistic.

If he's with Deathmarks, his weapon strength doesn't matter.
Hunters From Hyperspace + Abyssal Staff = AP1 Flame template that wounds on a 2+ against one unit.
(hence the term "Deathstar Killer")

skoffs wrote:

Necrontyr40k wrote:Posters keep saying that the abyssal staff is S8, which sounds impressive until one reads the rules and sees that it has to wound against leadership rather than toughness. An argument can be made that it is still useful for instant-death purposes, but the official update clarified that leadership is used for that as well. So, what is the big deal with the staff's S8? It cannot be used against vehicles either, as vehicles don't have a leadership statistic.

If he's with Deathmarks, his weapon strength doesn't matter.
Hunters From Hyperspace + Abyssal Staff = AP1 Flame template that wounds on a 2+ against one unit.
(hence the term "Deathstar Killer")

Then what is the point of bringing up the S8 all the time? As I said in the original post...

I would ask you to pardon our inclusion of a seemingly unnecessary stat number, but after the enemy unit marked by HfH is gone, you may still get some use from it against lower leadership units.

Regardless, the combo is fairly cheesy, and it would be a shame if everyone who had been considering using Deathmarks omitted including DespairTeks simply out of ignorance.

I was not protesting about it, so no need for pardons on my part. I was trying to understand the point of it and see if I am missing something.

Yes, the combo is very beardy - based on abuse of RAW. It is also an unnecessary complication typical to GW. Just make them snipers with poison weapons; what is the big deal? This marking thing also allows the shenanigans with redeployment to gain a double mark. Sturdy, clear rules are not GW's trademark. Making special abilities different, just to be different, seems an almost intentional method of stoking arguments.

i agree with not really understanding the 'strength 8' hype, when efectively, it's going to count as about strength 5, at most..
Regardless, an AP1 template, wounding on 2's, is way over powered, and definitely cool.
I personally wouldn't use the redeployment gimmick to mark 2 targets though, as it's obviously unintended supercheese, and if I felt the need to use it, I would gladly accept a punch in the face from my opponent. However, that being said, I do take 2 units of 5 instead of 1 unit of 10, for double marks (although this comes with a down side, such as both units not coming down together etc)

I've tried the original list, with some minor changes, in a couple of practice games against my mates Plague Marines army.
The changes I made were to make the scarabs one unit of 10, instead of 2 of 5, and to put the Cryptek in the Ghost Ark with 5 warriors instead of the immortals.

The list doesn't do badly (although I admit, it is far from optimised) one thing I must say is scarabs are BEAST!

My mate didn't seem to agree or believe on the scarab ruling (getting to roll to pen AFTER stripping armor) so the first game we played, we played without that ruling (scarabs ONLY stripping armor) and they STILL tore chunks off things (5 bases autohitting a stationary predator... om nom nom!)
I mostly used the Deathmarks to mark and snipe the Daemon Prince off the table (Toughness 6 with a MoN, wounding on 2+ with possible rending is.. AWESOME!) And there they succeeded, but weren't too useful at much else.

Tesla Immortals were okay, didn't really excite me, same as the Annihilation Barge, but I'm sure that was just me not using it right.
Command Barge ith Warscythe Overlord is very cool, nothing like flying over vehicles popping them..
Quick question though, when doing fly over sweep attacks, do you attack the front or rear armor of WALKERS?

But yeah I think I will have to play around with the list more, the plan when going to 2000 points is to include some wraiths, possibly more scarabs, and I'm thinking a unit of lychguard with a lightningfieldtek.

JBrehaut wrote:I mostly used the Deathmarks to mark and snipe the Daemon Prince off the table (Toughness 6 with a MoN, wounding on 2+ with possible rending is.. AWESOME!) And there they succeeded, but weren't too useful at much else.

Yeah, they're pretty much there to assassinate ONE trouble unit, and once that's done, they tend to hang around doing whatever. If you happen to get some more use out of them after their mark has been taken care of, kudos.

JBrehaut wrote:Command Barge ith Warscythe Overlord is very cool, nothing like flying over vehicles popping them..
Quick question though, when doing fly over sweep attacks, do you attack the front or rear armor of WALKERS?

Sweep attack is always against rear armor (walkers only get that "never against rear armor" benefit when in CC. Sweep attack is not CC).

JBrehaut wrote:I'm thinking a unit of lychguard with a lightningfieldtek.

Try the CrucibleTek with Lychguard. Nothing like watching a unit walk up intending to assault you, only to come up short so you can assault THEM on your turn instead! (or take both Harbingers to make a CC Deathstar that nobody will want to mess with).

skoffs wrote:

JBrehaut wrote:Command Barge ith Warscythe Overlord is very cool, nothing like flying over vehicles popping them..
Quick question though, when doing fly over sweep attacks, do you attack the front or rear armor of WALKERS?

Sweep attack is always against rear armor (walkers only get that "never against rear armor" benefit when in CC. Sweep attack is not CC).

Thanks, that was the way I read it as well, but I had someone argue with me on that point.

skoffs wrote:

JBrehaut wrote:I'm thinking a unit of lychguard with a lightningfieldtek.

Try the CrucibleTek with Lychguard. Nothing like watching a unit walk up intending to assault you, only to come up short so you can assault THEM on your turn instead! (or take both Harbingers to make a CC Deathstar that nobody will want to mess with).

Also keep the Gaze-of-FlameTek in mind, for anti-assault purposes.

30 scarabs. stormlord guy and the rest warriors. welcome to necrons 101.