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Quick question for everyone I've been wondering lately, if GW rereleased all the space marine lines with a true scale miniature range, would you replace your marine army with the more accurately scaled marine line?

Marines are already accurately scaled.

Any re-scaling would make them less accurately scaled, and thus inferior models.

No, I would not buy them.

Tbh it should be the other models that are made to true scale. Guardsmen are too large. Its not that SM are too small. In fact even the vehicles need an upgrade in size. Making the Space Marines bigger means we need more bigger vehicles. Awful idea.

Marines are true-scale. Guard are just bigger than they should be (and have been since the first metal Catachans came out).

And the problem is only really noticeable because all the Marines are doing some kind of half squat.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Marines are true-scale. Guard are just bigger than they should be (and have been since the first metal Catachans came out).

Actually, EVERYTHING has been getting bigger. Seriously, look at one of the old metal terminator models designed to fit on a 20mm base and compare it to one of the new GK termies, they're like 50% bigger now than they used to be.

I feel like they tried to make marines a little bigger with AoBR, but that could just be an illusion...

Kaldor wrote:And the problem is only really noticeable because all the Marines are doing some kind of half squat.

Exactly. I've got some power armor (khorne berzerkers), that I've done virtually no truescaling whatsoever to - all I did was put a little bit of greeenstuff between the pelvis and the torso to make it sit up a little better. The rest of it was just unbending that awful squad pose.

With these two small things, my power armored guys are MUCH larger than my guardsmen:



Once again, this is from almost nothing more than just unbending those stupud constipated squad poses and giving them a vaulting run instead.

If only they made marines that weren't squatting, or that were a little easier to convert out of the squat. I was able to get around it for myself by putting a fur toga on them, but that wouldn't work for most marine armies.

Plus in a game as abstract as 40k does tru scale marines even matter. Nothing at all is to scale anyway.

Some of the proportions could use adjustment too. I've been putting together alot of terminators recently, and I can't help but notice that their shoulders are wayyy too high in relation to their heads.


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Ailaros wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Marines are true-scale. Guard are just bigger than they should be (and have been since the first metal Catachans came out).

Actually, EVERYTHING has been getting bigger. Seriously, look at one of the old metal terminator models designed to fit on a 20mm base and compare it to one of the new GK termies, they're like 50% bigger now than they used to be.

Atleast with this, I think that the old terminators were too small. If you remember the metal ones, they were about the same size as the average tactical. That always seemed silly to me. I think the terminators are about right in proportion to tacticals. Also agree with the earlier poster that he real problem is that guardsmen are too big. They're about as tall as an eldar (who are supposed to be unusually tall) and about as buff as a space marine in his armor. The average guardsmen ought to be shorter than the first and waaayyy skinnier than the second.

Kaldor wrote:Marines are already accurately scaled.

O_o

lol. Oooooookay. So what you're saying is that the unspoken truth of 40K is actually that all humans have evolved to be seven and a half feet tall, and thus of the same height to Space Marines.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Kaldor wrote:Marines are already accurately scaled.

O_o

lol. Oooooookay. So what you're saying is that the unspoken truth of 40K is actually that all humans have evolved to be seven and a half feet tall, and thus of the same height to Space Marines.

No, I'm saying if you bend your knees, you look shorter. Marines are taller than IG. They just all have their knees bent.

Even if I didn't find truescale to be silly looking 9 times out of 10, you would have to give me lots of money, an airbrush, and a caffeine IV to make me paint over a company's worth of Crimson Fists over again.

There's a whole company of crimson fists? I didn't realize so many had survived the "ordnance malfunction."

I've got about 200 SM models including from before they were Space Marines, the original plastic Beakies, modern Tacticals, Space Hulk, etc.

There's no way I would throw them out to replace them at £5 per individual model.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Kaldor wrote:Marines are already accurately scaled.

O_o

lol. Oooooookay. So what you're saying is that the unspoken truth of 40K is actually that all humans have evolved to be seven and a half feet tall, and thus of the same height to Space Marines.

What he's saying is that Imperial Guardsmen, Eldar, and Tau models are all too big. The Marines are accuratly scaled, its that Guardsmen are too big.

^^ But my marines are already "true-scaled" dear.

On a serious note, yes I would like it if GW decided to fix their scaling issue and stop passing it off as "heroic 28mm scale". Admitedly in my marine army my marines aren't quite truescale (rather their about a head taller than standard miniatures), but I chose to do this purely for game balance reasons-ie an I feel that an army based entirely on 40mm bases and geared up for melee would be a bit bent....so their on 30mm instead. I offset the height issue by including 28mm/25mm scale human models amongst them so as to give the illusion of scale. I do however have four proper true-scale marines in my army as Obliterators, but to relate this to the original thread topic I'd say that if every marine player had true-scale miniatures then yes, I would be comfertable fielding them. Would I enjoy it if every model in 40k was to scale, then yes, will I put up with it for the moment for game fluidity....well I'll try to, my opponents put up with enough of my converting as it is. =D

no but I would start an army of them :3

If they released true scale Marines I would probably get some. However, I'd be spiteful if my non-true scale Marines were ruled illegal to play with.

Grey Templar wrote:
What he's saying is that Imperial Guardsmen, Eldar, and Tau models are all too big. The Marines are accuratly scaled, its that Guardsmen are too big.

Most Eldar figures would fit inside a Marine; they're the appropriate size. Remember, Eldar are noticeably taller than humans, but thier figures are still shorter than Marines.

And Tau figures are itty bitty. They're smaller than Guardsmen.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Marines are true-scale. Guard are just bigger than they should be (and have been since the first metal Catachans came out).

As well as pretty much everything else in the game... Tau for example are supposed to be even smaller than humans... yet they have proportions that would put even spesh mareenz to shame.

LoneLictor wrote:If they released true scale Marines I would probably get some. However, I'd be spiteful if my non-true scale Marines were ruled illegal to play with.

They wouldn't be. GW models will always be legal, barring illegal wargear. I can still use RT Dreadnoughts even though they're tiny.

I would absolutely not rebuy an army because the rest of their line is scaled wrong.

GW has received enough of my money.

I would not be inclined to re-buy my army if they were released in true scale. Personally, I've never really liked the way that true scale looks.

I shall say again, fluff, models and game rules are completely different entities and should be treated as such. Replacing normal marines with "truescale" warrants a consistent scale change (especially vehicles) across the ENTIRE 40k model range, with fluff accurate rules. There is no way this could ever work, you would only need one squad of marines to kill hundreds of Orks and thats bad for business and even worse for game balance.

(Though I would like a single GW box of truescale marines so I dont have to spent huge amounts of money on terminators and conversion bitz.)

Nope, I might consider a new army in the future at that scale, but I would not replace a previous one just because the new ones where bigger.

I think it would be a disaster if GW released a range of truescale marines. Don't get me wrong, I think they're cool and I've converted a squad of truescale deathwatch for myself, but only as a fun modelling and painting project.
Firstly, the sheer amount of work it would take to replace every SM, Chaos, GK, SW, BA, BT etc model with a truescaled one would be massive. Secondly, to totally change the scale to the extent of how truescale marines look would completely invalidate their biggest existing range, and alienate so many people from their most popular armies.
I do think that, when done well, truescale marines look cool, but they either need to be done as a whole army, as showcase models, or not at all. They really don't mesh at all side by side with normal marines, except in exceptional circumstances like the example of the obliterators above.

Nah, that would be too expensive, plus, then all the old marines would be vintage (which equals cool, amirite?)

master of asgard wrote:I think it would be a disaster if GW released a range of truescale marines

GW says marines are the right scale now, so that's unlikely to ever happen. No need to worry about it.

How about actual scale. I personally would want an army of 8 ft tall soldiers.

I wouldn't rebuy, but I might start some Minotaurs if they put out that many new models

DarknessEternal wrote:

master of asgard wrote:I think it would be a disaster if GW released a range of truescale marines

GW says marines are the right scale now, so that's unlikely to ever happen. No need to worry about it.

Of course they do, lol.

It wouldn't be very good business to tell people that one of your most successful model lines is jacked up.

Come on people, with all the grumbling people do about the way GW is cutthroat in their business practices and pricing, you're going to believe that particular piece of marketing nonsense?