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Librarian
-boltgun
-the gate of infinity and vortex of doom

x5 sternguard vets
1 combi melta

Tactical squad
-melta gun
-sgt with bolter

Tactical squad
-melta gun
-sgt with bolter

Predator
-heavy bolter sponsons OR 2 razorbacks for tactical squads?

how can you afford that? That's way over 500 points. The Tactical Squads and Librarian alone are 450 points.

My 500 point list that I found works well against anything:

Captain AOBR
10 man tac squad with flamer and missle launcher
10 man tac squad with flamer and missle launcher
land speeder with melta

500 pt. on the dot

small space marine lists are dificult because they are expensive but ig can spam in 500 points @.@

so here is my list
(useing blood angels)

HQ

X2 librarian (200 no upgrades with wither sanguine sword , unleash rage , shield of sanguine , blood lance, or shackle soul) you must get sanguine sword every other power is a secondary

TROOPS

X2 assult marines 5 man (240 with 2 melta guns in each squad) these are just to shoot and break vehicals if your fighting more infantry go for flamers or hand flamers)

transports

x2 razzor backs with storm bolters or missle (60 points)

this is a list for anti vehicals basicly everything is in a transport iwth 0 jet packs you just charge forward and shoot 12 inches youll get all your shots in

then go out and shoot melta at tanks then charge infantry with stranth 10 librarian power weapon ( ignore spell errrors)

Lotus wrote:how can you afford that? That's way over 500 points. The Tactical Squads and Librarian alone are 450 points.

I have a feeling he might have forgotten upgrade options...

No, the tactical squads are just 5 in size, trying to keep things down on the cheap.

trephines wrote:No, the tactical squads are just 5 in size, trying to keep things down on the cheap.

Sorry to say this but you need 10 guys for melta guns. And my word of advice is give the libby a pistol so he has +1 attack. I never personally tried vortex because I think its pretty risky because if it scatters on your squad, thats it. They're dust.
Smite is pretty fun for offensive imo. iirc, its 4 str7 ap 2 assault that has the potential to ruin MEQ's day. A good defensive power is force dome as it gives your squad and libby 5+ invulnerable save and can add just a tad more survivability to your regular marines and the marines with pretty guns.

Gate of infinity can add some mobility to your squad, but i myself am weary of deepstrike.

And I would get razorbacks for mobility. every inch forward (or back) counts.

Ahhh bum I'll have to consult the dex then
does it seem okay though having only 15 troops?
the idea is (although it may be risky, it could be fun) having my lib fling the sternguards around the map and try blowing up as much stuff as possible with a nice template while the tactical squads whizz around holding objectives, ect.

The logic for giving the sgts and lib bolters as opposed to pistols is that they wont (or at least I dont intend on) get into much cc.


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How about:

Librarian 100
sternguard with 1 combi melta 130
x2 tactical squads with melta bombs 190
2 razorbacks 80

better?
keeping the lib with VOD and GOI for the same tactic with the SGs

My personal choice, if you can swing the tanks, is:

Librarian (100)
-Bolt Pistol/Force Weapon
-AP3 Template Power, Curse of the Machine Spirit (got to deal with IG Leeman Russ Spam)

Tactical Squad (140)
-5x men, combi-melta
-Razorback, TL HB

Tactical Squad (140)
-5x men, combi-melta
-Razorback, TL HB

Predator (60)
-plain

Predator (60)
-plain


It deals with most lists everyone brings for 500 point games except has some difficulty with IG Leeman Russ spam, but you can't beat everything. Plus it's a great way of getting units that make your army easy to expand.

Lotus wrote:My personal choice, if you can swing the tanks, is:

Librarian (100)
-Bolt Pistol/Force Weapon
-AP3 Template Power, Curse of the Machine Spirit (got to deal with IG Leeman Russ Spam)

Tactical Squad (140)
-5x men, combi-melta
-Razorback, TL HB

Tactical Squad (140)
-5x men, combi-melta
-Razorback, TL HB

Predator (60)
-plain

Predator (60)
-plain


It deals with most lists everyone brings for 500 point games except has some difficulty with IG Leeman Russ spam, but you can't beat everything. Plus it's a great way of getting units that make your army easy to expand.

Only prob are the 5man Tac can't take the meltas and razorbacks don't have shooting ports.

Captain AOBR
10 man tac squad with flamer and missle launcher
10 man tac squad with flamer and missle launcher
land speeder with melta

This is a lot closer to what I ran at first with my Ultra Smurfs. I also found Upgrading the Captain to a Chapter Master beneficial. That +25 pt OB can be nice.


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Forgot to post variation:

HQ: Chapter Master @125pts
TRP 1: Tac Squad (10) w/ Flamer and Multi Melta +Rhino @205pts
TRP 2: Tac Squad (10) w/ Flamer and M. Launcher @170pts

Nice thing is that rhino can get those troops up the field and with some luck get that flamer or melta where you need it. Other squad is for objectives or as you see fit.

Theyre combi melta, and the sarges get those so you can take them in a 5 man squad. The razorbacks dont need shooting ports. A TL HB is better than two bolter marines firing, and if it warrants the combi-melta you get out. There are tons of advantages of being fully mechanized in 500 point games.