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2012/04/15 03:15:21
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
Florence, AL
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At what point must an entry point on a vehicle be covered up before a model cannot disembark.
Illustration:
This is a chimera
The pound signs are the entry point.
X0000X
X0000X
X####X
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The @ is a big scary dreadknight.
(please ignore the dashes, it's only purpose is to move the @ over enough to represent the game scenario I came across)
Could my unit still disembark? If it can, what extent must the hatch be covered before the unit cannot disembark. The BRB (my interpretation) seems to imply that they have to cover up the entire thing since it says to place any models within 2" of an entry point.
If I'm wrong please enlighten me Dakka!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/15 03:16:41
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2012/04/15 03:28:00
Subject: Re:At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Grovelin' Grot
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I don't think one model could ever prevent disembarking.
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2012/04/15 04:05:52
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Roarin' Runtherd
Arizona
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If you cannot exit the vehicle without getting within one inch of an enemy you may not disembark; so a Dreadnaught would only have to cover say two thirds of the chimera hatch as then the contents wouldn't be able to leave without entering combat (1 inch) with the Dread.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/15 04:06:50
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2012/04/15 05:00:10
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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The FAQ does say that when you disembark you cannot move through enemy models or within 1" of it. That means if the base of the enemy model + 1" around it cover most of your entry point, you will need at least 1" of non-covered entry point in order to get out.
Once gotten out, you have to be placed within 2" of the entrance. Otherwise, a person can disembark his big nasty 10-man blog from a Stormraven surrounded by your units.
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2012/04/15 06:01:06
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Wouldn't you be able to emergency disembark? IIRC, you can make an emergency disembarkation, when you are unable to disembark normally due to impassable terrain/enemy models. THough I might be wrong and that is only for forced disembark from a Wrecked vehicle. Not sure.
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2012/04/15 07:07:34
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Happyjew wrote:Wouldn't you be able to emergency disembark? IIRC, you can make an emergency disembarkation, when you are unable to disembark normally due to impassable terrain/enemy models.
Yes you can emergency disembark if your normal access points are covered, as long as you follow the rules for emergency disembarking on P.67, left column, 1st graph, 4th sentence.
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2012/04/15 13:16:39
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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I think it's an emergency disembark if he can't get hte models out withint 2" of the door and outside 1" of the dread, then you either move the tank or take the risk.
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2012/04/15 20:14:16
Subject: Re:At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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The models don't actually move from the door to their final position. They instantly appear in the final position. So as long as they are more then 1" away from the dreadknight once they exit then they are fine. The fact they would have had to move within 1" of him IRL makes no difference.
If the access point is covered completely, then you Emergency Disembark.
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2012/04/15 21:11:36
Subject: Re:At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
Florence, AL
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See, Grey Templar, that is how I play it since the wording in the book tells you to place. Apparently we have differing opinions on the subject out there. Do the rules ever actually talk about the enemy blocking entry points?
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2012/04/15 21:19:40
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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BGB FAQ wrote: Q: If a transport vehicle is completely surrounded can a
unit inside disembark by moving through the enemy
models? (p67)
A: No. Models that disembark are still subject to the
normal movement rules regarding moving through
other models as per page 11.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/15 21:20:57
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2012/04/15 21:20:06
Subject: Re:At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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The rules do not allow you to be within 1" of an enemy model unless you are assaulting it and obviously you cannot occupy the same space.
Combine this with the disembark rules you cannot disembark if you would end up being within 1" of an enemy model on placement.
So if the entirety of the disembark zone(within 2" of the hatch) is within 1" of an enemy model then the hatch is blocked.
Keep in mind that only part of the disembarking model's base needs to be within 2" of the hatch. so a terminator could have the mearest sliver of his base within the zone and be legally placed.
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2012/04/15 21:57:25
Subject: At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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The Hive Mind
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But he has to follow normal movement rules to get there, as the quoted FAQ shows.
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2012/04/15 21:59:32
Subject: Re:At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I appear to have been ninjad.
In that case then you will have to be able to move to that position.
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2012/04/16 04:34:47
Subject: Re:At What point do enemy models block disembark?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
Florence, AL
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Thanks for the quote Lordhat, I looked at that FAQ, but I read that entirely differently. 
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