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So the journeyman is going strong my fairly successful 15pt list this past week has been

pMorghoul
Savage
Savage
Gladiator
Min Beasthandlers
Agonizer

The Savages have a huge threat range with Abuse+Rush+Reach and the Handlers also gives them a very respectable P+S. Agonizer really aggravates WM players and annoys Hordes players.

So options open up this Saturday when we go to 25pts. We still have to use the battlebox, but we are allowed to swap casters after a week or two after this Saturday.

Considerations for 25pts(with pMorghoul):
-Full Cataphract Arcuarii, one point hanging for Gobbers or up Handlers to Max. Morghoul does not support these guys at all, but I get some shooting and Weapon Masters.
-Wrong Eye & Snapjaw, one point hanging for Gobbers or up Handlers to Max. Gives me another attack angle that is not limited to Morghoul's CTRL range and Low fury. Morghoul can Abuse Snapjaw.
-Another Gladiator and an Extoler Soulward. Another powerhouse and source of the glorious Rush animus, also gives me an answer to people who try to hide in the trees/clouds.
-Archidon and an Extoler Soulward, one point hanging for Gobbers or up Handlers to Max. Flying beast that has 0.5 inches less threat range than the Savage that can almost get as much strength as an abused/enraged gladiator. Also has Critical pitch to open charge lanes and toss warcaster/'locks for the Gladitor/Savages to run up and pound on.
-Drop Agonizer, add Molik Kharn, one point hanging for Gobbers or up Handlers to Max. I don't really want to do this except maybe against one rather frustrating list(Damn you, Sorscha!).
-Bronzeback. Always moar Bronzeback!

Other things I have(not mentioned above):
-Max Nihilators
-Krea
-Shaman
-Max Venators+UA
-Void Spirit
-PGTM
-Orin Midwinter
-Croak Hunter

Thoughts?

I would add Bronzeback and if possible drop one of the savage for Shaman. It would help with fury management and give you a ranged attack to play with.

Another good option could be wrong eye and snapjaw as your threat is pretty much coming from one direction and if you are playing scenarios some hose Morghoul pretty bad, with his tiny control area.

Metsuri wrote:I would add Bronzeback and if possible drop one of the savage for Shaman. It would help with fury management and give you a ranged attack to play with.

Another good option could be wrong eye and snapjaw as your threat is pretty much coming from one direction and if you are playing scenarios some hose Morghoul pretty bad, with his tiny control area.

Can't drop the savages because they're part of the battlebox.

I think WE and SJ are a good choice...but a Bronzeback would also be devastating.

spyguyyoda wrote:

Metsuri wrote:I would add Bronzeback and if possible drop one of the savage for Shaman. It would help with fury management and give you a ranged attack to play with.

Another good option could be wrong eye and snapjaw as your threat is pretty much coming from one direction and if you are playing scenarios some hose Morghoul pretty bad, with his tiny control area.

Can't drop the savages because they're part of the battlebox.

Yeah, I have to keep the battlebox(Morghoul, Gladiator, 2xSavage) for a while still. Although I can swap out Morghoul for different casters in about two weeks(still need the beasts from the BB though).

We are also only doing the Killbox mission for a very long time. Don't need to worry about different scenarios.

Another thing I could do would be to get a Max unit of Gatorman Posse and replace the Agonizer with a Paingiver Task Master to buff them. Morghoul wouldn't be able to help them, but they can operate independently of Morghoul's small ctrl area.

I'm thinking I should take the Bronzeback though. Admonition+Counter Charge=Trollololol.

Go for the Bronzeback. As scenarios are not issue with killbox being played, BB is devastating, brings a nice animus to table and helps in keeping Gladiator from frenzying.

What are you looking to do with your next caster, might define better what to get 'now'?

I've been using the Archidon in just about every game Ive been playing since I got him, and the big bird is fantastic! Plus eventually getting an Extoller will be close to a must. Then I would also suggest your 2nd caster being Hexeris2, since he uses these two very well.

Anyway, you will want to get your Handlers to max sooner than later.

If you are staying with Morghoul, a Brute might be useful, as its animus helps agains one of Morghoul's weaknesses, being knocked down.