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Three times in a row now ive had micromanaging opponents. Before i say anything else, id like to say i have NO problem with anyone touching my models whatsoever, as long as you are involved in 40k in some way.
A side note, before i even begin, I have a 3 and a 2 year old, and i will not let them touch my models. WIth that said, dont get mad when someone (wasnt me) tells your 4-6 year old to stop picking up their awesomely painted models off the playing board in the middle of play and tossing them back on the table.

Anyway, Micromanaging. Ever bring a list to play and your opponent insists your list will suck, be no good etc, even though you say you are trying it out for fun?
Had that happen to me 3 times in a row.
Ever move your models, and actually have someone go back and move them where they were and demand you not on re-move unless they watch you, and demand you use your ruler for every single model instead of just "guessing" where it goes. For example you have a 30 boy squad of orks, and you move the front row up six inches, now your opponent demands you measure every single ork boy?
That really ticked me off when he just moved my guys back.

What else, oh! Ever know the to hits and to wounds and your player INSISTS that HE tells you EVERYTIME, even if you are on your 14th unit with the same weapons firing into the same original squad?

Heres another one that i made sure to throw up every time. I declare firing from unit A on Unit B. Unit A fires on Unit B, and i roll for the most powerful weapon in the squad first, which is different that the remainder. He places the wounds faster than i can say anything and saves for them, then i say im firing with the rest of my weapons and he gets pissy because you didnt roll them ALL at once and you didnt say WHICH guns were going to fire or not.

Anyone have similar stories, or am I just a jackass?



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Oh in the change your list thing, the guy was so vehement that i change my list that i actually went ahead and switched armies so he couldnt claim his "advice" on me

Doesn't sound that bad to me.

sounds like stuff that happens to everyone. I don't have to deal with the moving models back thing, because I clear that with my opponent at the start of the match. When they see I've got a 100 guardsmen in my list, theyre more than happy to see any tricks I have to speed up the game.

However, it sounds like you've got a high percentage of TFG's in your area, so I'd either just stop playing against jerks, or, find a new store.

I hate playing against these types of people. I would say that either they've been cheated in the past. Some people like to constantly play like that simply because they go to tournaments often. Thus, they try to get into the rhythm of playing everything correctly every time. But, the fact that you're running into TFC means you should stop playing him.

Well, theres always the possibility that you were being 'flexible' with your movements.

It's also polite to be clear about what you're doing in the shooting phase. Not just say 'My Devastators are shooting that Tatical Squad', but going on to say 'So I'll roll my lascannons first'. Adding the part about what you're rolling for first indicates that there will be other weapons rolled for after.

Having said that, it's usual etiquette to place aside a dice for each wound caused, in groups according to what save they will allow.

TFG's suck, and there's not much you can do after you start the game. Best just to try not to play them in the future.

Kaldor wrote:Well, theres always the possibility that you were being 'flexible' with your movements.

It's also polite to be clear about what you're doing in the shooting phase. Not just say 'My Devastators are shooting that Tatical Squad', but going on to say 'So I'll roll my lascannons first'. Adding the part about what you're rolling for first indicates that there will be other weapons rolled for after.

Having said that, it's usual etiquette to place aside a dice for each wound caused, in groups according to what save they will allow.

I solved that by using colored dices. I show my opponent before the roll and say: the reds are the lascannons, the blue ones are missiles and roll everything. Nobody ever argued with the results.

When my Grey Hunters charge, I use seperate colors for the wulfen than the rest of the squad so there is no doubt as to which hits/wounds are rending.

Basimpo wrote:TWhat else, oh! Ever know the to hits and to wounds and your player INSISTS that HE tells you EVERYTIME, even if you are on your 14th unit with the same weapons firing into the same original squad?

If my opponent doesn't say "3's to hit... 6 hits, 4's to wound... 3 wounds, roll saves" but just says "Rolling to hit" I'll clarify "on 3's." for both of our sanity. No matter how much I play I forget numbers sometimes. I've gypped myself out of hits and accidentally gotten free hits because I mis-remembered numbers. It's much better to say when you're rolling what you need.

Ive played a few. Lucky for me i have one of those gale force nine tactical rulers so its easy enough to move my 100+ guardsman. I also do the colored dice with a twist, all my lasguns are the standard gw sized ones while the special or heavy weapons are not only a differnt color but are the larger board game sized ones.

I however am a more laid back player, if it isnt our first few games I dont even bother checking your rolls ( if your going to cheat at a friendly game your pretty sad) and trust you when you say you have a special rule and what it does (ive read most codexes and have a very good memory so i most likely already know what it does.)

as a local rules nazi. i'm pretty sticler on using and enforcing them.... that being said...

I would NEVER move a players models without their permission. that is absurd. I might ask politely if I see there is a problem, but rule number one is you NEVER touch anyone else's property.

its a game too. its supposed to be fun. if I can help speed up the process by moving 100 of your horde's pieces as a group, fine with me. do I mind if you're off by half an inch or so? no. do I mind if you're INTENTIONALLY moving them past their limits, yes, but i'd have some trouble proving it.

I have in the past offered to hold the ruler for someone but that's about it.

TFG's suck. i'm sorry you have a string of them. BUT, get 2 of them to battle one another, and stand there and marshal the game. oh they'll absolutely hate you, but it'll be the best game you've ever watched. entertainment ABOUNDS.

If you're playing chess with someone who stands up and takes a dump on the floor, it's not chess that's at fault, it's your opponent. Find new ones.

Basimpo wrote:
Anyway, Micromanaging. Ever bring a list to play and your opponent insists your list will suck, be no good etc, even though you say you are trying it out for fun?

What does this have to do with micromanaging?

DarknessEternal wrote:

Basimpo wrote:
Anyway, Micromanaging. Ever bring a list to play and your opponent insists your list will suck, be no good etc, even though you say you are trying it out for fun?

What does this have to do with micromanaging?

He was trying to tell me to change my list to his specifications.

Also, with the guy moving my models BACK where they started, it was 10 models, and they were in like maybe a 6 inch wide corridor with both sides being impass terrain of sorts so literally the front 2 went six measured inches and the rest were moved by eye behind em. After he moved them back he said no! I would prefer if you used the ruler instead of guess where each one goes!

He wasnt helping me move 10000 boys lol, he was putting them back AFTER i moved them

I too, have no problem with someone helping me move my 90 boys. Help away! Its someone insisting that I move under scrutiny that PmO.

I feel the same way about cheating and my army men game (I mean 40K). If i want to cheat THAT bad, and win, then id just play a game against my self.

If someone's moving your models, keep a ruler nearby and do like what the catholic nuns do. Smack em on the hand if they are going to move troops back.

lmao and Exalted Ye Zebio! ahahahaha

ZebioLizard2 wrote:If someone's moving your models, keep a ruler nearby and do like what the catholic nuns do. Smack em on the hand if they are going to move troops back.

Way to be, internet tough guy.

Maybe first try asking him why he's moving them back. Then enter into a reasonable discourse about whether or not it was acceptable behavior.

DarknessEternal wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:If someone's moving your models, keep a ruler nearby and do like what the catholic nuns do. Smack em on the hand if they are going to move troops back.

Way to be, internet tough guy.

Maybe first try asking him why he's moving them back. Then enter into a reasonable discourse about whether or not it was acceptable behavior.

It was mostly a joke, but hey if you're really upset people touching your models, it is an effective method.

I would never move my opponents models without permission or if he is not in a position to do it.


And I don't consider having your opponent affirm the dice rolls required is a bad thing. It ingrains the rules for rolling to wound and ensures there are no misunderstandings about the roll.

Different colored dice are a must for complex shooting and assault phases.


I also always state outloud what I am rolling for and what I need. "Tac squad shooting at your ork boyz" "8 long range bolter shots, 1 long range plasma gun shot. Hitting on 3s, wounding on 4s except for plasma. Plasma is the red dice" "Also 1 frag missile over this boy right here, scatters 2D6 -4 for BS"

Saying all this before firing also allows you to double check for what is needed before the actual dice roll. This prevents arguments later when your opponent thinks he needs 3s and its actually 4s and he picked up all his hits already so you don't know how many 3s there were.

When I read "micromanaging" I had the vision of a guy constantly rearranging his squad by tiny fractions of an inch until entirely satisfied. Obviously gaining those fractions to his own advantage (I've had this happen to me).

Some people just need to repeat the goal of the dice, so just roll with it. I mean, there's a social difference between repeating the 3+' and 4+' and stating "you now need 3 or higher to hit" for the fifth time.

Assigning wounds before the opponent is done shooting is just plain cheating, and you should tell your opponent so*. In fact, if there are things you've got a problem with you should tell your opponent so - even to the point of asking them to correct your mistakes in a polite manner. Both of you deserve it.

* The rule book tells you to roll them group of dice for group and not all at once, multi-rolling is strictly a suggestion and not a rule. Although, honestly, roll to hit with everything first - sometimes it actually do make a difference with regards to cover saves if nothing else.