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So a friend asked me to go to OFCC this year with his team and I could borrow his stuff so I finally got around to busting out the VC's new book and looking around and hammering out some list ideas with the new rules and I would like to throw the list out there so I can get some feedback because I don't really have too much of an idea what I am doing yet. So here is what I have so far:

Lords - 575

375 - Ghoul Kings, Red Fury, Dragon Bane Gem, Sword of Blood, and The Other Trickster Shard

235 - Master Necromancer, LVL 4, Seed of Rebirth, Dispel scroll(can you only have one in an army now?)

Heroes - 238

238 - Vampire, LVL2, Forbidden Lore(was thinking Light), Fear Incarnate(stick him in with the skellies for the 3D6 drop the lowest fear test reroll success) , Armor of Silvered Steel, Great Weapon

Core - 745

410 - Horde of 40 Ghouls + ghast for challenges

205 - Horde of 30 Skeletons(only 30 cuz I can rez them beyond starting size so my lvl 4 necro should get them past 40 by turn 2), Full command, Spears, Screaming Banner

65 - Horde of 20 Zombies. Musician
65 - Horde of 20 Zombies. Musician
(My Tarpitters, with the LVL 4 necro casting invocation giving them 2D6+caster level each turn they should do pretty nicely starting at 20.)

Special - 1002

560 - Horde of 40 Grave guard, Great Weapons, Full command, Banner of the Barrows(my ghoul king would prolly rock with these guys)

352 - 9 Crypt Horrors, Champion

45 - Spirit host
45 - Spirit host
(these would be my chaff and to add to deployment drops)

Rare - 240

240 - Mortis engine, Blasphemous Tomb


So this is the army I have hashed out so far. There are some things I would like to change but I am not sure how or if it is really worth it. I would like to add in some hero banshees and throw them in the zombies and in an army this size I almost think I need 2 mortis engines. As is I am running the necro around near the zombies, skellies and zombies so I can buff them up first two turns. I should end up turn two with like 2 squads of 44 zombies and my skellies should be at least 40+ strong as well assuming I don't lose any to spells for cannons and whatnot which I know will happen but that's just one cast of invocation each turn and I can throw it out multiple times.

I will be pretty new to this for a while so I will prolly play like trash for a month or something because I don't know how many spells I should be able to get off in this edition with how the dispel dice work and things like that.

Oh right the Mortis engine will run in the center my my army because he has neat little thing that adds +2 to my casting and I roll 2D6+ turn number and everything inside that radius has regen of 6+ and if they already have regen then its upped by one so like my necro will have a 5+ and stuff like that.

So anyway that's the basic idea of the list and what I am taking so far so please feel free to throw scenarios and me and tear my list apart.

The sword of blood is the sword of bloodshed ya? +3 attacks?
I would save points by using the sword of strife, +2A, but still handy since you've got red fury.
Lore of light is the way I would go with the forbidden lore. Most of those spells actually work great with undead.

The necro needs to buy Master of the Dead for 20pts if you want to raise the skeles. Also don't horde them or the zombies. They're tarpits, which means they need to benefit from the additional ranks for as long as they can have them and extra attacks are usually not that useful. 3 ranks is 3 less dead when you lose.

Other thoughts on the skeleton horde; don't use the fear incarnate. Right now you're spending 45 points (screaming banner + fear incarnate) to reduce the efficiency of fear tests when 40% of the time you will not force your opponent to take fear tests. There are so many ItP and fear causers out there it doesn't make sense to use that many points on something like that. I recommend using aura of dark majesty since it has a radius and it affects Ld directly not just fear tests.

I love the GG horde. I know a guy who uses a 50 man unit, its scary.

Finally, watch where you put the mortis engine. When it dies, and it likely will, you don't want it killing anything valuable. Have it chill near skeles and zombies. Especially since that's where you're casters are. I was also going to say nix the spears on the skeles but with regen from the engine it don't matter.

Ok so I tooled it around to fix a few things and I think its allot better now:


Lords - 575

355 - Ghoul Kings, Red Fury, Dragon Bane Gem, Sword of Strife, and The Other Trickster Shard

255 - Master Necromancer, LVL 4, Seed of Rebirth, Dispel scroll, Master of Dead

Heroes - 243

243 - Vampire, LVL2, Forbidden Lore, Aura of Dark Majesty , Armor of Silvered Steel, Great Weapon

Core - 745

410 - Horde of 40 Ghouls + ghast for challenges

205 - Horde of 29 Skeletons, Full command, Spears, Screaming Banner

65 - 20 Zombies. Musician
65 - 20 Zombies. Musician

Special - 1002

560 - Horde of 40 Grave guard, Great Weapons, Full command, Banner of the Barrows

352 - 9 Crypt Horrors, Champion

45 - Spirit host
45 - Spirit host

Rare - 240

240 - Mortis engine, Blasphemous Tomb

Did you miscount the Lords in both lists? You seem to be about a hundred points off when comparing individual costs to the sum.

ok my points got messed up somewhere...


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OK OK OK... I had to fix my points because I counted them wrong so a few tweeks:

Lords - 625

370 - Ghoul Kings, Red Fury, Dragon Bane Gem, Sword of Strife, and The Other Trickster Shard

255 - Master Necromancer, LVL 4, Seed of Rebirth, Dispel scroll, Master of Dead

Heroes - 243

243 - Vampire, LVL2, Forbidden Lore, Aura of Dark Majesty , Armor of Silvered Steel, Great Weapon

Core - 735

410 - Horde of 40 Ghouls + ghast for challenges

195 - Horde of 28 Skeletons, Full command, Spears, Screaming Banner

65 - 20 Zombies. Musician
65 - 20 Zombies. Musician

Special - 957

560 - Horde of 40 Grave guard, Great Weapons, Full command, Banner of the Barrows

352 - 9 Crypt Horrors, Champion

?? - Spirit host

Rare - 240

240 - Mortis engine, Blasphemous Tomb