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2012/04/18 12:51:26
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Powerful Ushbati
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Can an imperial guard unit that has stealth and receives the incoming order take a 4+ cover save out in the open?
5+ for incoming
+1 for stealth
4+ save in the open.
2+ save in cover
+ 1 save for stealth
2+ is the best it can get though...  1+ save for guardsman would be funny
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2012/04/18 13:07:33
Subject: Re:Stealth and Incoming!
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Knight of the Inner Circle
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From my understanding, incoming gives a 5+ so yes stealth drops it to 4+. That is as low as it gets though...3+ in cover...
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2012/04/18 13:26:42
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Not as Good as a Minion
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I think by the 2+ in cover he means in normal cover (4+), go to ground (adds 2, so 2+) then stealth does zip
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... |
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2012/04/18 15:22:21
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Powerful Ushbati
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I guess you dont need to use incoming if your in cover you can just go to ground for a 2+ cover with stealth.
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TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)
TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)
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2012/04/18 15:39:43
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Tomb King wrote:I guess you dont need to use incoming if your in cover you can just go to ground for a 2+ cover with stealth.
No, GtG only adds +1 to cover saves. The incoming order adds the +2.
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2012/04/18 15:43:02
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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The Hive Mind
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Lordhat wrote:Tomb King wrote:I guess you dont need to use incoming if your in cover you can just go to ground for a 2+ cover with stealth.
No, GtG only adds +1 to cover saves. The incoming order adds the +2.
Normal cover save is 4+. GTG makes it 3+. Stealth makes it 2+. Incoming order is useless.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/18 15:43:13
My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/04/18 17:50:34
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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rigeld2 wrote:Lordhat wrote:Tomb King wrote:I guess you dont need to use incoming if your in cover you can just go to ground for a 2+ cover with stealth.
No, GtG only adds +1 to cover saves. The incoming order adds the +2.
Normal cover save is 4+. GTG makes it 3+. Stealth makes it 2+. Incoming order is useless.
Somehow, I missed the stealth portion of the statement I responded to. >.< Automatically Appended Next Post: I guess that's why it's 'stealth'?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/04/18 17:51:40
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/18 18:28:48
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
where am I? *looks around* Well i'm...errr...I...I...don't know!
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Yep, Subliminal messaging is just a part of the film with the stealth special rule.
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MAY YER BOLTER NAE FALTER!!!! |
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2012/04/18 22:36:16
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Just for clarifaction, the +2 to cover save from Incoming and the +1 from stealth are both irrelevent in the open, right? They only give bonuses, you can't get anything when you're not in cover.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/04/18 22:39:24
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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The Hive Mind
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GTG in the open gives a 6+ (I think) which can be modified.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/04/18 22:40:09
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Not true.
Going to Ground gives you a +1 to cover saves. If you are in the open you get a 6+ cover save.
Incoming improves the +1 from going to ground to +1 so you would receive a 5+ cover save in the open.
Stealth would then improve it by an additional +1 (so +5/+4)
Edit: the "not true" was directed at Testify. rigeld beat me to the punch.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/18 22:40:55
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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2012/04/19 16:35:22
Subject: Stealth and Incoming!
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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rigeld2 wrote:Lordhat wrote:Tomb King wrote:I guess you dont need to use incoming if your in cover you can just go to ground for a 2+ cover with stealth.
No, GtG only adds +1 to cover saves. The incoming order adds the +2.
Normal cover save is 4+. GTG makes it 3+. Stealth makes it 2+. Incoming order is useless.
Just to clarify 1 thing about the red text:
The In Coming! order in this situation is Worse than useless; you waste a Commander's order, and (as if wasting the order wasn't bad enough) the unit thusly ordered cannot shoot(as it has immediately gone to round, orders are issued before any shooting, and units can only receive 1 order per turn).
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