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This, rather lengthy post, is the first list I have created using the DE codex so there will be noobish mistakes(most likely on the Raiders).

So onto the list:

HQ

Baron Sathonyx - 105

Lelieth Hesperax - 175

Troops

Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Sybarite, 2x Splinter Cannons - 120

Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Sybarite, 2x Splinter Cannons - 120

Wytches - 9, Hekatrix(Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agoniser), 2x Hydra Gauntlets - 165

Wytches - 10, Hekatrix(Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agoniser), 2x Hydra Gauntlets - 175

Raider - Disintigrator Cannon, Enhanced Aethersails, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Flickerfields - 95

Raider - Disintigrator Cannon, Enhanced Aethersails, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Flickerfields - 95

Both Riders are dedicated transport for Wytches.

Hellions - 19, Helliarch(Agoniser) - 392

Fast Attack

Reavers - 6, Heat Lance - 144

Scourges - 5, Solarite(Agoniser), 2x Heat Lance - 164

Heavy Support

Ravager - Nightshields, Flickerfields - 125

Ravager - Nightshields, Flickerfields - 125

Total - 2000

So onto pricing:

2x Battleforces - £120
4x Hellion Boxes - £62 - 1 being converted to the Baron
2x Ravagers - £62
Scourges - £15.50
Lelieth - £10.50

Total Cost - £270

Areas where I think changes could be made:
Scourges
Reavers
Raiders

Onto some tactics:
Warriors use a piece of terrain and shoot from it.
Raiders with Wytches speed up the field with their Sails.
Scourges and Ravagers main priority are tanks.
Hellions just be a pain in the enemies backside, lol.

I don't know if the 300 mark is something you are aiming for when building this list so I will ignore it and just give general advice.

First and most importantly you need to re-read several entries of the codex as you have made a few illegal choices namely the 2 SC on a squad of 10 Warriors(1 per 10) and the second Hydra Gauntlets on the 9man squad(1 per 5).

Troops
Even if your keen on taking a Sybarite for the Ld boost they are a waste of points since your Warriors should never get into CC and they do nothing with no wargear assigned.

Don't just rely on terrain to keep your Warriors alive as they will mostly likely need to adjust positions at some point, they should really have a transport of their own to accomplish this.

Your Wyches are good but the Blast Pistols probably won't get used unless you don't need to fleet, even then they aren't worth the points. You are better arming the whole squad with Haywire Grenades. Hydra Gauntlets would probably be better dropped for Razorflails or Shardnet and Impaler depending on what you are using them for but they are not a terrible option.

Your list is lacking AT for a 2000pts game so you might want to consider keeping the Dark Lances on the Raiders. Also drop the Aethersails as they will prevent your Wyches from disembarking and assaulting in the same turn you use them.

19 Hellions is a very big squad. It will rip through anything you throw at it then be left in the open, it also limits what it can do on the table top. You are much better breaking it in half or even quarters.

Fast Attack
Heat Lances are good but you have to be very close to use them well. If you can do that somewhat safely then good but if not then consider Blasters.

Thanks for the reply. Im not gonna lie, this list was made at like 4am a few night ago. A few changes were made earlier before posting but obviously forgot to take those into consideration for special gear.

Warrior and Wytch changes are easy enough.
More Raiders are also easy enough .

I did originally think the Hellions was too big a squad but left it at 20-man strong so they could take a few wounds upon exiting combat.

Ill rewrite the list shortly and repost it soon.

EDIT: The whole £300 thing was just a sort of mess around, I don't mind spendin more to get a decent army.

There are some very good Dark Eldar articles on tactics in particular this one http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dark_Eldar_Tactica_Part_1 why not check it up? Having both Lilith and the Baron is a bit expensive.

Consider replacing the points of the second illegal splinter cannons in your warriors with blasters which adds some AT.

Haemonculus with liquifier gun also if you place it in a unit of wyches at the start and then leave them gives them their first pain token. The liquifier will also half the time eat through power armour so is well worth it if you leave the Haemonculus in the raider.

The scourges are very close ranged perhaps not the best idea. Consider haywire blaster or blaster so the don't get caught in combat and can get more shooting in as they can fire from an earlier stage.

If you like heat lances like I do a better idea is the reaver jetbikes who can turbo boost right up to the tank in the first turn and then blow them up! =) Splitting the unit and giving both of them heat lance is only 156p 12 points more but it offers the enemy 2 targets rather than one and is more versatile. However, these are suicide units, remember.

Thanks for the reply and link. As for the HQ choice I will admit they are a tad expensive however this list start of as a Hellion/Witch spam so the HQs fit in great I thought.

So onto the edited list:

HQ

Baron Sathonyx - 105

Lelieth Hesperax - 175

Troops

Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Splinter Cannons - 100

Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Splinter Cannons - 100

Wytches - 9, Hekatrix(Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agoniser), Razorflail - 140

Wytches - 10, Hekatrix(Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agoniser), 2x Razorflails - 160

Dedicated Transports

Raider - Disintigrator Cannon, Enhanced Aethersails, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Flickerfields - 95

Raider -Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Flickerfields - 90

Raider -Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Flickerfields - 90

Raider - Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Flickerfields - 90

Hellions - 10, Helliarch(Agoniser) - 185

Hellions - 9, Helliarch(Agoniser)- 169

Fast Attack

Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Scourges - 5, 2x Blaster - 140

Heavy Support

Ravager - Nightshields, Flickerfields - 125

Ravager - Nightshields, Flickerfields - 125

Total - 2013 - I have no idea what to drop to take it to 2k points.

EDIT: Raiders shoulnd't have had Diss Cannons or sails.

heat lances on the scourges and reavers, they can get into position easily and heatlances are better than blasters at close quarters

nightshields and flickerfields are overkill, anything that can shoot your ravagers at long range won't really be hurt by nightshields, flickers are infinitely better and work in combat

PGL launcher is a waste for wyches, they already have assault grenades and their 4++ is enough to keep them alive if assaulted

the raiders literally only need flickerfields and a lance - they're going down fast so don't waste points on them, add more reavers or a venom squad of incubi with the points i've saved you

lillith is a bit of a point sink, but take her if you like her, personally i'd be taking a venom with 4 trueborn and 4 blasters for 2 points less

otherwise all good, and i'd reccomend only one ravager with diss cannons at most, lances are better in most situations

generally a great list though, big fan of baron, hellions, reavers, ravagers and though i don't personally like them, wyches are very good at what they do

???????? wrote:There are some very good Dark Eldar articles on tactics in particular this one http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dark_Eldar_Tactica_Part_1 why not check it up? Having both Lilith and the Baron is a bit expensive.

I'd say 280 points in HQs in 2000 points isn't a bit expensive at all, I'd be happy to spend 275 in 1500 points using Chaos And in my planned 1750 DE list, i'm using Vect and Mayls... If your HQs work well with that else is in your list, just over 1/8th of your list in HQ isn't very much really...
And as for the tacticas, I think they are a great read, but remember when reading that a lot of it is depending on what environment you are playing in.

As for the list (new list) I like it, the two HQs definatly fit in.
I think there are a few things that are maybe not necessary. For a start, do your AV10 raiders really need to cost 35 points more than base? Also, Dis.Cannons? Unless your playing against armies with no tanks, i'd just have Dark Lances, your Wyches and Hellions probably have enough attacks to take down infantry, and if you want the AP2 ness of the gun, well i'm just not sure its worth while.

I like the look of the Reaver models, but 78 points for one anti-tank weapon seems like a waste, i'd probably drop both those squads for a Ravager. I know your using the battleforce contents, to try and keep cost down. But as far as I can tell, your pricing isn't optimised anyway (is it GW price?) i'm almost certain if you ordered that lot from Darksphere (my internet is being really slow so I can't check at the moment) and you could easily fit in a 3rd Ravager within your budget.

Also, if you like the old Raiders/Ravagers, you save a load of money buying on Ebay (i've saved £52 on Darksphere prices, inc postage buying 5 Raiders and 3 Ravagers, plus a bonus two Blaster warriors)

List Version 3 XD

HQ

Baron Sathonyx - 105

Lelieth Hesperax - 175

Troops

Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Splinter Cannons - 100

Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Splinter Cannons - 100

Wytches - 9, Hekatrix(Agoniser), Razorflail - 130

Wytches - 10, Hekatrix(Agoniser), 2x Razorflails - 150

Dedicated Transports

Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Hellions - 10, Helliarch(Agoniser) - 185

Hellions - 9, Helliarch(Agoniser)- 169

Fast Attack

Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Scourges - 5, 2x Heat Lance - 134

Heavy Support

Ravager - Flickerfields - 115

Ravager - Flickerfields - 115


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rodgers37 wrote:
I like the look of the Reaver models, but 78 points for one anti-tank weapon seems like a waste, i'd probably drop both those squads for a Ravager. I know your using the battleforce contents, to try and keep cost down. But as far as I can tell, your pricing isn't optimised anyway (is it GW price?) i'm almost certain if you ordered that lot from Darksphere (my internet is being really slow so I can't check at the moment) and you could easily fit in a 3rd Ravager within your budget.

As mention is a previous post, the cost was just for a bit of fun. I'm happy to spend a bit over/under to get a decent army. That being said, the prices are indeed GW prices just to see how expensive it would be.

EDIT: Just checked out Darksphere, If iv done it correctly this army would cost just under £250 including delivery. May need to consider them next time I buy something lol. Hopefully won't be too long before I can get DE up and running.

johnscott10 wrote:
Baron Sathonyx - 105

Lelieth Hesperax - 175

Fist off the baron is ok. A lot of people here love him. I think he is ok when used appropriately. Lelith is a waste. She dies to an assault cannon and yes she can get a lot of attacks but is only S 3 with no drugs...pass. Run a base haemy w/ liquifier for each squad of wyches instead.

johnscott10 wrote:
Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Splinter Cannons - 100

Kabalite Warriiors - 10, Splinter Cannons - 100

Go with 5 man squads with blasters instead.

johnscott10 wrote:
Wytches - 9, Hekatrix(Agoniser), Razorflail - 130

Wytches - 10, Hekatrix(Agoniser), 2x Razorflails - 150

Not bad make the second look like the first.

johnscott10 wrote:
Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Raider - Flickerfields - 70

Make two of these venoms w/ 2 SC instead for the warriors.

johnscott10 wrote:
Hellions - 10, Helliarch(Agoniser) - 185

Hellions - 9, Helliarch(Agoniser)- 169

Hellions are meh at best. And best means a full squad w/ Baron. I would drop them both for more warrior squads. It gives you more AT and more SC for infantry.

johnscott10 wrote:
Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Reavers - 3, Heat Lance - 78

Scourges - 5, 2x Heat Lance - 134

I would run these squads once you fill up on troops, elites, and HS.
The scourges would probably get haywire blasters since you would either have to suicide them or try to walk across the board since you have no portals. Reavers heat lances are ok but Blasters are a little safer.

johnscott10 wrote:
Ravager - Flickerfields - 115

Ravager - Flickerfields - 115

2 is good, but 3 is amazing. Take one of the raider models and add two of the Dark Lances (from warrior boxes) and give them to the hanging on guys and instant ravager.

johnscott10 wrote:
As mention is a previous post, the cost was just for a bit of fun. I'm happy to spend a bit over/under to get a decent army. That being said, the prices are indeed GW prices just to see how expensive it would be.

EDIT: Just checked out Darksphere, If iv done it correctly this army would cost just under £250 including delivery. May need to consider them next time I buy something lol. Hopefully won't be too long before I can get DE up and running.

As for the warriors needing the extra blasters you can do 2 squads with one box. Take the blast pistol and use the muzzle (bulb shape) and attach it too the stock of a non-bladed splinter rifle (right before the indented line that runs the length of the rifle) and you have 2 blasters from one box.

With the extra points I would try to hit bits stores to make some blasterborn (4 trueborn w/ 4 blasters) and put them in a venom w/ 2 SC. While they are the more competative choice they are more expensive to buy if you get them from GW.

Yet again I find my self seconding all Akroma06 has said.

Wow, thats some big changes XD

I agree on the Hellions being "meh" in a rush list like this - they will die readily especially with no means of getting tokens to them early to at least help preserve them from small arms fire.

Ideally, the Baron and Hellions combo work fantastically in a WWP type list. The Baron helps get first turn, the Hellions come buzzing out of the portal and usually straight into cc due to their movement + fleet + charge (+ the advanced location of a wwp).

Can't imagine them in a "rush" list like this as they will have a huge foot print on the table and will be incredibly hard to hide or keep in cover until you get close enough to charge.

My suggestion although it is not what you want to hear is if you want to keep the Baron for the first move bonus then perhaps a squad of Warp Beasts would work. The baron gives them grenades, stealth and a better Leadership while the beasts offer wound allocation shenanigans and a 4++ save. Not he most perfect match but the beasts are tougher and will give you a few points to spare (like taking another min/max squad of warriors or something).

Just my 2 cents from playing wwp lists with the Baron and 2 squads of hellions.