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My SM list all Bikes, its done pretty well only lost once because I rushed a whole squad into a Land Raider redeemer. I would like to know what you guys think

HQ
4x veteran honor guard with Storm shields and power weapons
1 Captain with relic blade
1 Apothecary

4x veterans same as above
1 Kor'sarro Kahn
1 Apothecary

Both HQ squads have helfire rounds

Troops
4 Squads of
5x SM on bikes
1 melta per squad
Sergeants have power fists


I'll get some pictures up soon. They are a heavily converted army the bikes are all cold ones from Lizard men with the power weapons and heads all being Lizard men too

so for anti tank you have 4 meltas and 4 power fists....? not sure that would even dent a mech army.... looks like fun to play though :-)

I think I would want some attack bikes in there with multi meltas in there so you have a bit more range, I also think this ary would struggle against hoards, you have 30 bodies, 20 of which are basic marines. How do you handle 180 boys?

I have personally watched this list shred hordes as well as vehicles. The mobility of the list is just shocking. And then with hit and run rule, as long as you survive the first round of assault you get to move-shoot-assault (again).

I think a bit more melta would be nice, but from experience it does very well.


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And then there's the fact that the whole thing can outflank. I actually really wanna see what advice you get.

So, your command squad has storm shields, but your captain doesn't?

>.>

My DE ate a White Scars list similar to yours. 20+ lances and 4 venoms. Opponent got a tarpit on main objective that I foolishly fed wyches ... I still won though.

Have you faced the usual DE venom spam, with 21 lances in Trublasters and Ravagers?

IMO, 2 command squads is too much for too little.
Also, Khan OR Captain on bike, not both. A bit to expensive otherwise.

Although, having said that, it could be quite fun. MSU T5 power armour marines moving 12" each turn, would love to see the enemy's face as he decides who to shoot at

Good luck with it

Theschisack wrote:Troops
4 Squads of
5x SM on bikes
1 melta per squad
Sergeants have power fists

Why don't you run with 2 special weapons and a MM attack bike? The ability to bring 3 heavy/special weapons that can move 12" and fire is one of the best thing about bike squads.

I also run a bike army, and have for a few years. Its a lot of fun, and I talk a lot about the bike army concepts here. Instead of re-posting, Ill just linked it to you.

Now, odviousally if your winning a lot, don't change a thing. If you start playing in more competitive tournaments, you may run across some challanges like not having psychic defense, or not having enough long range firepower.

Not a bad list, but far too many points tied up in command squads and HQs.

You absolutely need 2 x melta and a mm attack bike in the bike squads. I guess you don't see much mech where you are at, but that is far too little anti tank at 1500, and you are at 1850.

As your list stands, horde and mech heavy armies should give you fits. No matter how you try to justify it, 4 meltas and 4 power fists do not in any way scare razorback spam or chimera spam. Space wolf armies with 15 S8 shots at 48" protected by a wall of razorbacks will ruin your day. If you can't demech them (which you are low on firepower to do) you can't hurt them.

It is a good build, but I would at a minimum get a couple of flamers in the command squads and a mm attack bike and second melta in the bike squads.

I'm a little confused about this list. I've got the codex in front of me and I don't see how an honor guard squad (or command squad) can get hellfire rounds. Khan can't get hellfire rounds but the captain can. Honor guard can't get apothecaries but they're part of a command squad.

I also may have misinterpreted the comments about hit and run. It sounds like everyone is doing it and Khan only grants it to his attached squad.

I don't use Khan in mt bike army army but I have found that MM ABs and a 2nd MG in each squad are really a necessity. I personally swear by some long range firepower as well. I only use a single command squad and dump those points into Typhoon Landspeeders, thunderfire cannons, or devestator squads. I've had luck with each option. I've had predators suggested but haven't tried that yet.

@st.germaine: You are correct regarding the army list. I think the OP was in a rush and didn't use the right terms. To echo much of what everyone else has been saying: This list seems to work for OP but is far from an all comer list.

I don't see this list fairing too well against a decent BA player, we get T5 and I5 with priests for any squad we wish. I just don't see this type of army getting a victory against the sons of Sanguinius very easily. Maybe I'm biased but.....

Hordes and Mech heavy armies will give him fits as well. I am glad he does well with it, and perhaps in his meta it works great, but at 1850, a 3 tervigon fnp genestealer list or a horde of orks or razorback spam... ...as it stands, it is a solid build, but needs more anti tanks and anti horde.

You are correct in that only khan's squad gets hit and run, and he means command squad rather than honor guard. Outflanking is effective at times, is a gimmick at times, and is utterlay ineffective at times.

Not a bad build, but it needs improvement to be a real all-comers list.

Blood Angels get S5 I5 fromt the priest, not T5 I5. Big difference! They still chew the I4 marines up in CC, especially if they are sporting power weapons of their own.

The Bike squads really want double meltas, and preferably MM AB's as well. Single meltas just don't cut it.

At the moment you're sinking a lot of points into your HQ choices, I'd drop one of the Command squads and the Captain, and pick up more ranged AT with the points.

If you insist on khan, I would look at something like this:
Khan
Captain - bike, relic blade, artificer, storm shield

Command Squad on bikes:
-apothecary
-3 x 2 lightning claw and storm shield
-thunderhammer, flamer and storm shield

5 bikes with mm attack bike - 2 x flamer, sgt w/ powerfist
4 x 5 bikes with mm attack bike - 2 x melta, sgt w/ combi melta

1850 on the nose, Much harder single command squad, much better against hordes and mech.

@Inigo: Since Khan already give you bike as troop and access to command squad, wouldn't a Chaplain on bike a better choice? He has almost the same stat-line as the captain (granted no relic blade) but he buffs the entire squad.

You already lost Combat Tactics with Khan, putting the Chaplain there isn't as bad as before.

Lol - use army builder and when I deleted the captain the bikes as troops came up red. I would absolutely put a chappy on a bike in that squad. Good catch.

I have to try out that list you posted though. It doesn't have the ability to capture objectives on 2nd level ruins but I the thought of 4 melta shots (combi + 2MG + 1 MM) from a single squad is rather disturbing.

@OP: I prefer to run my command squad with full wound allocation goodness:

Apo (4th wound goes here)
LC + SS + Bolt Pistol (first wound goes here)
LC + SS + melta-gun (2nd wound goes here)
Company Champion (3rd wound goes here)
TH + SS + melta-gun
Captain w/ Relic Blade OR Khan (on bike)

I generally will take all AP2 non-ID wounds on the captain. Str8 AP3 goes on the SS for 3+4+ ...

Sorry the list had a misprint I actually have 8 meltas total and in response to the HQ point sink it really isn't. In the 8 games I played with this list the HQ's do not die. Also the bolter's helfire or not rip through hordes its just two many twin-linked shots.

At 1850 it is not that many twin linked shots! Saying it is doesn't make it so. 32 bolters is what you have. At 1850.

Maybe the guys you play with don't know how to get cover with their horde armies, the guys I play with do. On average against orks, rapid firing, you will get 27 hits, 17 wounds, 8 saves and 9 dead orks. So your entire army will kill 9 orks, in cover, shooting.

Not so great, huh?

As you have it listed, you have 1685 points. Between the errors in points and squad names and upgrades, I am unclear on what you really have. It is hard to critique an incomplete list.

Issues as listed:
Too many points in hqs and command squads. Just because they dont die doesn't mean the points couldn't be better spent elswhere.

Why on earth would you take a power weapon for 15 when a lightning claw is 15 as well?

Powerfists in bike squads aren't the best choice. You have punchy units and you do not want your shooty squads in combat.

You think your whole army has hellfire rounds and hit and run. They do not. The captain has hellfire rounds and khans squad gets hit and run.

I was being nice earlier, but insisting a list with obvious flaws is solid is disingenious. Did you want real advice from experienced players or were you trying to brag?

Post a complete list and lets see what we can do with it.

Okay first off I know the entire army doesn't have helfire rounds and second I never said the entire list had Hit and Run that was someone else who posted on this thread. Furthermore you don't need to be a troll this was my first post and its people like you that give nerds bad names


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Also this was a hand-me-down list from a friend that one his home state 'Ard boy, that's why I said it was good.

'ard boyz is 2500 points, that build is uinder 1700 as listed. I am not a troll, read everything I said in the thread. I tried to help, but rather than take advice, you continuously talk about how good the list is and ignore the experienced players that are trying to help.

Had you, in fact, pointed out that this was a 2500 point 'ard boyz list, then we would have understood 2 hqs and 2 command squads ( although I still have no idea why he took power weapons over lightning claws...)
As it stands, you claimed it was your list that you had been winning with at 1850. That is not that good of a build at 1850, I assure you. At 2500 with fire support it could be solid, but you withheld that information.

Please don't start name-calling, i try to help here. You post an incomplete ~1700 point list and claim you are winning like mad with it at 1850. The experienced gamers ( I have about 15 years at this point ) try to help you and you ignore everything and keep talking about how good it is. When you get called out you admit it is not even your list, it is an 'ard boyz list (which is a 2500 point build.)

Rather than being a troll, post a complete list and be honest about what your intent is. You will find we are a helpful lot when you take your fingers out of your ears and listen.

Theschisack wrote:Okay first off I know the entire army doesn't have helfire rounds and second I never said the entire list had Hit and Run that was someone else who posted on this thread. Furthermore you don't need to be a troll this was my first post and its people like you that give nerds bad names


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Also this was a hand-me-down list from a friend that one his home state 'Ard boy, that's why I said it was good.

Hey, don't get defensive when people make comments or critiques to your list.

People here are offering free advise to help you improve your game. Inigo has given some excellent suggestions to your army.
Why not take what they have to say and ponder it?

IMO, what he really needs are some attack bikes to fill out the points. Putting an attack bike in each squad would also help. As to the Chappy on a bike, I'd have to drag out my SM dex but it could be a good idea.

The list is fairly killer already, but more meltas never hurt anyone.