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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/24 15:26:36
Subject: CSM 1750 help
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Had a game with my buddy the other day, and he plays CSM. I play Space Wolves. His list seemed pretty good, but I am not really certain as i don't know a whole lot about them. His list(from memory)
HQ: Demon Prince w/ Lash
Troops: 7 Plague Marines in a rhino..some plasma guns
Troops: 7 Bezerkers in Rhino, champion w/fist
Troops: 7 Bezerkers in Rhino, champion w/fist
Elite: 5Chosen 3meltagun 2Plasma gun, icon
Elite: 5Chosen 3meltagun 2Plasma gun, icon
Elite: 4Terminators 1chainfist/heavy flamer 3combiplasma/power weapon
Heavy: 2 obliterators
Heavy: 2 obliterators
Heavy: Auto canon/lascanon Predator
Is this list a decent 1750pt list? I beat him pretty badly, and we are just wondering if his list is somehow flawed, although it seems pretty good to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/24 15:54:33
Subject: Re:CSM 1750 help
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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Seems like a very solid list. The only thing I would suggest changing is drop the Terminators for a second Lash Prince. Doubling up means once they kill a prince, you've got a backup. I've also found it useful to Lash the target twice if I didn't get the distance I needed out of the first Lash attempt.
If you're dead-set on the Termies, drop one group of Chosen. I use them to great effect, but I don't know if you need two. If you're ok with dropping one set of Chosen, you could easily beef up your Oblits to 3 per squad.
Good luck
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In the embrace of great Chaos, I am no longer afraid, for with its power and favor, I shall become the embodiment of that which I once most feared.....Death
Chaos Space Marines: W50, L23, D17
Warriors of Chaos: W15, L2, D0
CSM 6th Edition: W19, L6, D3
CSM 7th Edition: W17, L2, D2
Kill Team: W2, L0, D0 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/24 16:46:48
Subject: CSM 1750 help
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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I'd make a few changes myself. Firstly are the chosen in rhinos? I'm guessing not, but if they were I think it'd help the armour saturation a lot. Also, I'd put 4 plasma guns in one squad, 4/5 meltas in the other, and drop the icons.
Then, I'd do one of two things:
Either drop the pred lascannons and take a second pred. So you have two autocannon ones.
Or, drop the pred and take 2 more oblits as the third hs choice.
That's still only like 1620-1630 so you've got room to add more. Maybe a termi-cide squad for 105 and some personal icons on the troops. Or, I'd personally take a 5 man squad in a rhino with a melta. For those backfield objectives and another rhino for saturation.
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Chaos Space Marines, The Skull Guard: 4500pts
Fists of Dorn: 1500pts
Wood Elves, Awakened of Spring: 3425pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/24 17:42:44
Subject: CSM 1750 help
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
Los Angeles
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1 Demon Prince is a easy target for Space Wolves and Chaos Psykers, with no psychic defense vs the the army with arguably the best psychic defensive will usually get nullified.
The single Predator is odd also.
The army is built around role players. Assault berserkers, Objective Plaguers, support Oblits, disruption Chosen.
Terms are an odd fit, and so is the Pred.
Add icons to all 5 units, and the terms work better and add synergy to the oblits so the pred gets dropped.
Also, sorcerors work better in this list in my opinion, since they can ride in the rhino with the berserkers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/24 23:32:06
Subject: CSM 1750 help
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Thanks for the advice! All appreciated!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/25 09:27:39
Subject: Re:CSM 1750 help
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Can't really say anything different to the others.
As much as i'd rather not recommend Obliterators (personal issue) they would be a better choice here.
So drop the Termies and Predator, get a second Prince, rhinos for the Chosen, 2 Oblits.
Then, not sure on the points but what I would personally do, especially since you said you beat him badly, is take out two Plagues, add an 8th Zerker in each squad. If it fits, another Plague squad, probably with 2 melta guns. If not like already suggested, 5 CSM in a rhino with a melta gun. Focusing the Chosen weaponry would probably be better as well. One Plasma, one Melta squad.
Ok, I don't think there is enough points for the 4th troop squad. So probably Icons incase the Oblits deep strike.
If your list is an offensive one, i'd almost suggest just going with one Zerker squad, its pretty hard for zerkers to out assault Space Wolves anyway, they need the charge. But if your likely to be charging, Zerkers seem like a waste of points, it'd be better off having more T5, FNP marines with Plasma or melta.
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