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2012/04/24 17:51:42
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It was spoken of on another thread that our dear shattered Eldar god of war had suffered a number of defeats in recent fluff.
Always wanted to follow-up on that, and also to ask about "citings" of the bloody handed God in BL fiction.
I'm reluctant to ask the question "How powerful is Khaine" - so perhaps i'll go with something more specific:
How has Khaine been portrayed in Fluff or Fiction? Does he live up to his reputation ?
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2012/04/24 20:19:48
Subject: Re:The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Before his shattering: Fought and defeated the nightbringer when the C’tan was at its most powerful. Fought Slaanesh when the god just emerged. Despite losing the battle he held back slaanesh long enough for the eldar to flee. After Shattering: Avatars are given wildly differing levels of power in the fluff. In one BL book, Shadowpoint, the avatar basically wiped out a million points of orks on its own. The avatar acting alone needed to cross a planet occupied by orks to reach a webgate; numerous warbands attacked the avatar while it walked through ork territory and it slaughtered them all while not breaking its stride. I wrote a rule article a while back on the forge world model; it addresses my opinion on the avatar’s fluff abilities: http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge%20World%20Avatar%20Rules
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2012/04/24 21:22:50
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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In BL, Avatar's are made to be a lot more formidable then they are in the official codex's.
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My Armies:
5,500pts 
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2012/04/24 23:05:51
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Harriticus wrote:In BL, Avatar's are made to be a lot more formidable then they are in the official codex's.
Except for the ones that just get punched to death by marines. Not marines with power fists either.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2012/04/24 23:14:21
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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DarknessEternal wrote:Harriticus wrote:In BL, Avatar's are made to be a lot more formidable then they are in the official codex's.
Except for the ones that just get punched to death by marines. Not marines with power fists either.
Examples of either would be great 
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2012/04/24 23:45:33
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Fights against the Nightbringer, but the result is never revealed. The Inquisitor writing the report surmises that the Eldar offensive failed.
Slaanesh is so fat and slow after eating most of the Eldar Gods, that she doesn't have the stomach space for KMK, so she tears him into pieces instead (which kind of made Khorne mad, since he wanted to eat him).
Fulgrim fights one and strangles it.
Calgar fights one and punches it to pieces.
Lorgar came across a mostly dead one in the Eye, and put it out of its misery.
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2012/04/24 23:54:01
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Omegus wrote:Fights against the Nightbringer, but the result is never revealed. The Inquisitor writing the report surmises that the Eldar offensive failed.
Slaanesh is so fat and slow after eating most of the Eldar Gods, that she doesn't have the stomach space for KMK, so she tears him into pieces instead (which kind of made Khorne mad, since he wanted to eat him).
Fulgrim fights one and strangles it.
Calgar fights one and punches it to pieces.
Lorgar came across a mostly dead one in the Eye, and put it out of its misery.
You forgot the one at Iyanden that was mobbed and trampled on by carnifexes.
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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2012/04/25 00:03:32
Subject: Re:The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Furious Fire Dragon
In my game room playing Specialist GW games
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And the one that was possessed by a greater daemon.
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"Khorne is a noble warrior who respects strength and bravery, who takes no joy in destroying the weak, and considers the helpless unworthy of his wrath. It is said that fate will spare any brave warrior who calls upon Khorne's name and pledges his soul to the blood god. It is also said that Khorne's daemons will hunt down and destroy any warrior who betrays his honour by killing a helpless innocent or murdering in cold blood..."
from the Renegades supplement for Epic Space Marine, page 54-55
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2012/04/25 00:32:17
Subject: Re:The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Roadkill Zombie wrote:And the one that was possessed by a greater daemon.
What? What was that in?
And how can a daemon possess a daemon?? 
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Spiney Norman wrote:
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2012/04/25 00:45:18
Subject: Re:The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Imperial Agent Provocateur
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SaintTom wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:And the one that was possessed by a greater daemon.
What? What was that in?
And how can a daemon possess a daemon??
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2012/04/25 02:00:55
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Its in the demon codex. More like the demon inhabited the avatar's armor.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2012/04/25 02:53:38
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Frazzled wrote:Its in the demon codex. More like the demon inhabited the avatar's armor.
Yes, and I believe it was a Keeper of Secrets that was responsible?
The Path of the Warrior treats the Avatar with a fair amount of awe, though I can't remember what it actually achieved on the battlefield.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide.
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2012/04/25 02:57:52
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Usually the avatar is there just to show how awesome the person who killed it is.
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2012/04/25 03:07:14
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant
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I think its one of the sad translations from fluff to table top. But Im not sure if its a fault of the translation, or if its just a fact of game balance.
A blood thirster is supposed to be the martial superior of any being in the material universe. Stat wise, the Avatar is equal to a BLOODTHIRSTER!!! And much cheaper at that. I cannot say that to make it any stronger on the TT is even possible without making it prohibitively expensive. Automatically Appended Next Post: Polvilhovoador wrote:Usually the avatar is there just to show how awesome the person who killed it is.
I disagree, the avatar that kalgar delt the death blow to wrecked FACE against the ultra marines and it NEARLY killed kalgar, who managed to land the final blow before the avatar could kill him.
I cant think of ANY single instance in fluff where the Avatar of Khain was beaten easily, but every instance I can recall was nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory over the Avatar.
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When your wife suggests roleplay as a result of your table top gaming... life just seems right 
I took my wife thru the BRB for fantasy and 40k, the first thing she said was "AWESOME"... codex: Chaos Daemons Nurgle..... to all those who says God aint real....  |
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2012/04/25 04:05:02
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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There was the time that Mephiston slaughtered one in one round of CC....Actually, now that I think about it, that didn't happen in the fluff. That was at me at my flgs. My bad. Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry, couldn't resist
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 The Emperor Protects
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Inquisitorial lesson #298: Why to Hate Choas Gods, cont'd-
With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into
scrotums, complete with appropriate nerve endings. Then Khorne would
force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new
scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to
Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally
end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah. |
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2012/04/25 05:58:36
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Omegus wrote:Fights against the Nightbringer, but the result is never revealed.
Yes it is. He destroyed that body of the Nightbringer and was poisoned in the explosion.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2012/04/26 11:18:38
Subject: Re:The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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WD 127: When Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody Handed God of the Eldar, fought with Slaanesh the Lord of Pleasure, he was quickly overwhelmed and his energy captured by the newborn God. For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne - being a product of that part of the Eldar nature which finds gratification in murder and pleasure in bloody violence. Khorne the Blood God, the Patron of War, Murder and Battle, roared with rage to discover one of his own taken from him in this way. Then Khorne and Slaanesh clashed headlong, the Blood God fighting to recover the portion of his power that had been robbed from him, Slaanesh driven by his uncontrollable hunger to consume everything in his path. The Bloody Handed God of the Eldar was tossed this way and that, at first grasped by Slaanesh, then tugged back into the compass of Khorne.
Eventually the rage of the Blood God and the passion of the Lord of Pleasure were exhausted, and the boundaries between them were established. Like a leaf in the eye of a hurricane, Kaela Mensha Khaine fell among the calm, down through the Realm of Chaos and into the material universe. As he entered the material universe he divided into many shards of energy, scattering his power so that neither Khorne or Slaanesh could ever find him again. Each shard entered the body of an Eldar, filling the body with his own mind, possessing it, so that it became a virtually indestructible blood-lusting murderer - the material manifestation of the Bloody Handed God. These are the Avatars of the Bloody Handed God.
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2012/04/26 14:09:00
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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DarknessEternal wrote:Omegus wrote:Fights against the Nightbringer, but the result is never revealed.
Yes it is. He destroyed that body of the Nightbringer and was poisoned in the explosion.
IIRC, I thought it took the Laughing God tricking him to defeat the Nightbringer.
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2012/04/26 16:12:31
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Omegus wrote:
IIRC, I thought it took the Laughing God tricking him to defeat the Nightbringer.
I don't believe Cegorach was involved in that confrontation.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2012/04/26 17:56:11
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DarknessEternal wrote:
I don't believe Cegorach was involved in that confrontation.
I forget who, but one of the Eldar Gods told Khaine that the only time the Nightbringer could be struck was as it Phased back into reality to attack.
As an aside, does anyone know why Khaine could so angry about the one hundred swords thing? I mean, it's not as if there was any chance of those Eldar surviving even if all of them had had a 'vampire' sword. Was it just due to pride and the fact that the deal was broken?
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2012/04/26 19:59:12
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
As an aside, does anyone know why Khaine could so angry about the one hundred swords thing? I mean, it's not as if there was any chance of those Eldar surviving even if all of them had had a 'vampire' sword. Was it just due to pride and the fact that the deal was broken?
That assumes that we have the correct definitive account of the Khaine story regarding the 100 swords.
Another version of the tale is that Khaine requested 100 swords and with the Eldar went off to fight the Necron menace. The failure in that particular battle is ascribed to '1 mortal sword.'
Much of Eldar Mythology seems (at this current juncture) to be dimly remembered happenings of the War in Heaven.
For instance, the Talismans of Vaul turned out to be Blackstone Fortresses.
It could be that the Mythology is just how the Eldar make sense of actual events of the War.
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2012/04/26 20:34:52
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Wasn't Khaine kind of a jerk? Seem to recall him screwing over some of the other gods.
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2012/04/26 20:50:35
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Fixture of Dakka
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ContemplativeSphinx wrote:
For instance, the Talismans of Vaul turned out to be Blackstone Fortresses.
Why do you have the impression that the Eldar didn't know exactly what a Talisman of Vaul was? During the 13th Black Crusade they took one over and flew it around blasting stuff.
The readers didn't know what a Talisman of Vaul was, the Eldar did.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2012/04/26 21:06:11
Subject: The Many Losses of Khaela Mensha Khaine?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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DarknessEternal wrote:ContemplativeSphinx wrote:
For instance, the Talismans of Vaul turned out to be Blackstone Fortresses.
Why do you have the impression that the Eldar didn't know exactly what a Talisman of Vaul was? During the 13th Black Crusade they took one over and flew it around blasting stuff.
The readers didn't know what a Talisman of Vaul was, the Eldar did.
My mistake.
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Fluff for the Fluff God! 
