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I've always used this, where a unit is at 50% or less their LD is reduced by one, my question is, where in the rule book is this? I know it is there, somewhere (I hope) but I cannot seem to find the page (makes me feel dumb).

Second question, if a unit of SM have a -1 for half strength and then use Rites of Battle (LD10) is their test made at LD 9 because of the -1 or is it 10 because the -1 is to their LD not the RoB model?

Jstncloud wrote:I've always used this, where a unit is at 50% or less their LD is reduced by one, my question is, where in the rule book is this? I know it is there, somewhere (I hope) but I cannot seem to find the page (makes me feel dumb).

It's not there that I know of. Normally, units at 50% or less can't regroup but afaik that's the only penalty.

It is not there.

Some rules make you take a LD check at -1, but not simply if you are at 50% or less.

Jstncloud wrote:I've always used this, where a unit is at 50% or less their LD is reduced by one, my question is, where in the rule book is this? I know it is there, somewhere (I hope) but I cannot seem to find the page (makes me feel dumb).

This is an old rule, and is no longer a part of the current game. I believe third edition, maybe even last edition, but not in the current edition.

Jstncloud wrote:Second question, if a unit of SM have a -1 for half strength and then use Rites of Battle (LD10) is their test made at LD 9 because of the -1 or is it 10 because the -1 is to their LD not the RoB model?

Second question is now irrelevant. See above.

Isn't there a -1 for being below 25%?

Joey wrote:Isn't there a -1 for being below 25%?

Not that I am aware of -- though I have heard someone claim this at my FLGS.

Joey wrote:Isn't there a -1 for being below 25%?

No there is not.

A unit never suffered a permanent leadership value purely based on the quantity of survivors.

A unit tests leadership if, at the end of any phase outside of Assault, the unit has lost 25% or more.

In close combat, the unit that lost combat must test leadership. Their leadership is reduced by 1 for each point they lost combat by.

That's pretty much it.

Thanks everyone.

4th edition had a rule where your leadership was at -1 if you were below 50%, but only for morale tests (see pages 47 and 48 of 4th edition BGB). I'm 99% sure 3rd had the same rule.

5th edition has no such rule.

DeathReaper wrote:

Joey wrote:Isn't there a -1 for being below 25%?

No there is not.

*facepalm*
nice to know anyway

Kharrak wrote:A unit never suffered a permanent leadership value purely based on the quantity of survivors.

In 4th edition you did. You also suffered another -1 for each ratio you were outnumbered by, and that was your break check.

It's why combats in 4th took ages

Yup, just chiming in to agree that is an old 4th ed rule, just like all on his own tests