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Can they join a squad without an aspect?

Or do all squads count as having an aspect?

Basically I am reading that they are bound to not be able to join a squad of a different aspect.

And I don't know how to define an aspect other than the ability to take an exarch with aspect like powers.

Basically, I want to know if I can put Karandras or Fuegan in with Storm Guardians.

They can join any squad they wish to, but they only confer their Exarch abilities onto squads of the same aspect as their own, so Karandras will confer Shadowstrike and Stalker to a unit of Striking Scorpions, but not a unit of Guardians or Howling Banshees.

So you can put Karandras or Fuegan (or both) with Storm Guardians if you wished, although there isn't a whole lot of point to it.

Also bear in mind that any unit joined by Karandras will gain the Stealth USR, since it is listed as on the USRs conferred to a squad by an IC joining them and vice versa, and it is not an Exarch power.

yeh you can. Guardians aren't an aspect neither are harlequins but not sure about adding a phoenix lord to them. Wraith guard aren't aspects but thats it

Striking Scorpions, Fire Dragons, Howling Banshees, Dire Avengers, Shining Spears, Warp Spiders, Swooping Hawks, and Dark Reapers are the Aspect Warrior squads. A Phoenix Lord cannot join one of the listed units, unless they are of the Aspect. As was mentioned, Exarch Powers do not affect non-aspect units, and any unit that Karandras joins benefits from his Stealth.

Avatar 720 wrote:They can join any squad they wish to,

Not true. Eldar codex p54: "Phoenix Lords cannot join Aspect Warrior squads that are not of their Aspect".

They are able to join non-aspect squads.

Avatar 720 wrote:but they only confer their Exarch abilities onto squads of the same aspect as their own, so Karandras will confer Shadowstrike and Stalker to a unit of Striking Scorpions, but not a unit of Guardians or Howling Banshees.

Not technically true. They will confer any exarch powers onto any Aspect Warriors or Autarchs in a joined squad (see page 21). But, since they can't join different aspects, this is sort of true.

Of course, any Autarch in that is also joined to the squad will benifit.

Avatar 720 wrote:So you can put Karandras or Fuegan (or both) with Storm Guardians if you wished, although there isn't a whole lot of point to it.

Interestingly enough, if both Karandras and Fuegan both join Storm Guardians (as they are each allowed to do), they will confer their powers to each other, as both are Aspect Warriors.

Avatar 720 wrote:Also bear in mind that any unit joined by Karandras will gain the Stealth USR, since it is listed as on the USRs conferred to a squad by an IC joining them and vice versa, and it is not an Exarch power.

Again, not technically true. The squad itself does NOT gain Stealth. But, they do gain the +1 cover save effect.

Teaches me not to look at even useless entries in codices.

For the Stealth bit, I was being purposefully lazy by saying they gain it; yeah, they don't technically gain it, but the benefit from the effect and it can't stack (not that anything else in the Eldar book that can join squads has the Stealth USR) so it's as good as gaining it.

Actually Striking Scorpions do get stealth if Karandras joins them - it's his special little rule next to stealth.
This doesn't change anything but you are both right

Never thought of this and not saying it's a great idea, but...

Karandras + Autarch on a jetbike. two ICs can join each other to make a unit, no? So if you can get those two models out of line of sight of the enemy you can get a first turn charge by disengaging the Autarch when he moves. Not a great choice... but a choice nonetheless

felixander wrote:Never thought of this and not saying it's a great idea, but...

Karandras + Autarch on a jetbike. two ICs can join each other to make a unit, no? So if you can get those two models out of line of sight of the enemy you can get a first turn charge by disengaging the Autarch when he moves. Not a great choice... but a choice nonetheless

You don't disengage until the end of the movement phase, so you'd only be able to move the jetbike 6", since that is the speed of the slowest model.

However, I do have a combo of Karandras + 10 Wraithguard + Spiritseer with Conceal. Nasty unit. 10 Toughness 6 models, Fearless, 3+/4++ (cover save in the open) - rerollable if hit with Fortune, and they can score. Not to mention, if they get hit by a CC unit, Karandras can definitely hold his own.

That is CRAZY. Hope they put out new Wraithguard with the next codex (PLASTIC KITS!!?!?!) so I can stock up on 'em. That or buy some Chinese "perfectly legitamite, not fake copies" Wraithguard.