Hypnotic Gaze vs. Cleansing Flame

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rigeld2 wrote:
puma713 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
puma713 wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:They both go off at the same time, Initiative has not started yet.

I think what he is asking is: Does Hypnotic Gaze stop Cleansing Flame? Cleansing Flame is a CC attack, and Hypnotic Gaze stops the model from making CC attacks.

It's a CC attack that is initiated with a Psychic test. HG does not stop Psychic tests. Therefore HG does not stop CF.

Who cares how it is initiatied? It is a close combat attack regardless. It doesn't matter where it came from. Cleansing Flame is a close combat attack coming from the model, is it not? You can make the psychic test all you want. It is the result of the psychic test that is negated.

HG says "that model may not attack in the ensuing close combat". Note the difference between that and stopping all close combat attacks

The CF is part of the close combat, it simply happens before regular CC attacks.

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nosferatu1001 wrote:PUma - he HAS addressed your point.

HG stops attacks IN THE ENSUING COMBAT. Combat is defined as attacks made in Init Order. CF is outside of combat, because it happens outside of init order. CF is therefore not an attack in close combat, is not an attack in the ensuing close combat, and does not get affected by HG at all.

CF is a CC ability, that happens outside of init order. Effectively, that means it is I∞