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"Black Templars battle brothers fight with righteous anger and are loath to retreat before an enemy. When in a assault, all Black Templars units are Fearless."

That is the entry for the rule, as Black Templars are a bit more obscure. Now what I am curious about is do you only get Fearless for the charge in (similar to how you only get Furious Charge for the charge in) or does this mean that I am Fearless in all melee combat, i.e. even sustained combat?

If you are in any part (beginning, middle and/or end) of an assault, you are Fearless. With that being said, being Fearless is only of any use at the end of the round of combat. When/if you need to take a Morale test, you automatically pass. Being Fearless in any other part of the assault is, as far as I know, useless.

ToBeWilly wrote:If you are in any part (beginning, middle and/or end) of an assault, you are Fearless. With that being said, being Fearless is only of any use at the end of the round of combat. When/if you need to take a Morale test, you automatically pass. Being Fearless in any other part of the assault is, as far as I know, useless.

Well I figured it was referencing the first ROUND of assault per say. Than you would stop being fearless if say you two held in combat for another turn. But yea, I'm fine with them being Fearless. I hate the extra fearless wounds though. x.x

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Well I figured it was referencing the first ROUND of assault per say. Than you would stop being fearless if say you two held in combat for another turn.

Nope, any time they are engaged in an assault.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:But yea, I'm fine with them being Fearless. I hate the extra fearless wounds though. x.x

Well they could run off the table, would that be better?

ToBeWilly wrote:If you are in any part (beginning, middle and/or end) of an assault, you are Fearless. With that being said, being Fearless is only of any use at the end of the round of combat. When/if you need to take a Morale test, you automatically pass. Being Fearless in any other part of the assault is, as far as I know, useless.

If you have to take a leadership test to assault something (can't think of anything off the top of my head but assume big, scary, monster) would they be Fearless at that point and would not need to test? Or is it once they pass that test, they may begin making assault moves and become Fearless?

DoW

DeathReaper wrote:

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Well I figured it was referencing the first ROUND of assault per say. Than you would stop being fearless if say you two held in combat for another turn.

Nope, any time they are engaged in an assault.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:But yea, I'm fine with them being Fearless. I hate the extra fearless wounds though. x.x

Well they could run off the table, would that be better?

I would rather have them run honestly, and than use their ATSKNF rule and have a chance to regroup them without extra casualties honestly.


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DogOfWar wrote:

ToBeWilly wrote:If you are in any part (beginning, middle and/or end) of an assault, you are Fearless. With that being said, being Fearless is only of any use at the end of the round of combat. When/if you need to take a Morale test, you automatically pass. Being Fearless in any other part of the assault is, as far as I know, useless.

If you have to take a leadership test to assault something (can't think of anything off the top of my head but assume big, scary, monster) would they be Fearless at that point and would not need to test? Or is it once they pass that test, they may begin making assault moves and become Fearless?

DoW

I would imagine once they have declared their assault movement, they are now in assault and fearless.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I would rather have them run honestly, and than use their ATSKNF rule and have a chance to regroup them without extra casualties honestly.

Until they are escorted off the table and do not get a chance to regroup because of an enemy being too close.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I would imagine once they have declared their assault movement, they are now in assault and fearless.

The rule says that "When in a assault, all Black Templars units are Fearless."

if you are not in an assault and simply moving to get into one, you are not fearless.

I really think they should have called the rule something other than "Fearless".

Not running in the face of getting curb stomped is more akin to stupidity than simply being fearless. Which, imho, accurately sums up the state of the IoM.

DogOfWar wrote:

ToBeWilly wrote:If you are in any part (beginning, middle and/or end) of an assault, you are Fearless. With that being said, being Fearless is only of any use at the end of the round of combat. When/if you need to take a Morale test, you automatically pass. Being Fearless in any other part of the assault is, as far as I know, useless.

If you have to take a leadership test to assault something (can't think of anything off the top of my head but assume big, scary, monster) would they be Fearless at that point and would not need to test? Or is it once they pass that test, they may begin making assault moves and become Fearless?

DoW

Being Fearless doesn't stop you from having to take leadership tests...only morale and pinning.
Hence why my Torment Grenade Launcher is so much fun.

Good call. Okay then, assume it's a morale check for the purposes of the discussion.

DoW

DogOfWar wrote:Good call. Okay then, assume it's a morale check for the purposes of the discussion.

DoW

With the way the rule is worded, "..When in an assault, all...", I would say no, they would have to be locked in combat to be considered "in" an assault.

DogOfWar wrote:Good call. Okay then, assume it's a morale check for the purposes of the discussion.

DoW

You are not in an assault, you are attempting to get into one. If you are IN an assault, you are fearless. You are not fearless when you make an assault move

Okay, that's what I assumed. I think some people might try to argue that they are in an assault phase but that's stretching the wording too much imho.

Cheers.

DoW

DeathReaper wrote:

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I would rather have them run honestly, and than use their ATSKNF rule and have a chance to regroup them without extra casualties honestly.

Until they are escorted off the table and do not get a chance to regroup because of an enemy being too close.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I would imagine once they have declared their assault movement, they are now in assault and fearless.

The rule says that "When in a assault, all Black Templars units are Fearless."

if you are not in an assault and simply moving to get into one, you are not fearless.

Deff rolla tank shock marshell Emprah's Champ and Asstermies, procedded to walk them off. seems good to me course that was a third of his points gone

He didnt pay for tank hunter? That makes them pass automatically...