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Hi everyone!
So I'm going to start an Eldar army at the end of the May.
At the beginning I thought about buying 2 battleforces.
But then I realised that I won't be using guardians (but will use everything else)
So I don't know what to think now:
should I buy those 2 battleforces or buy WSs, DA and WWs separately?
Thx in advance.

Right, first off welcome to Dakka.

You want to start Eldar, now some people may try and tell you they are rubbish and not worth starting. I'm going to tell you they can still be very good, I still think the models are very nice, and despite some overcosted units they are worth playing. I will then say, don't play Mechdar. I used to really like the idea of it, but have been put off recently. To be honest, its pretty boring, you rely on turbo boosting onto objectives last turn almost as much as you rely on killing things.

Footdar is going to be more fun, and i think can still be fairly competitive. Hybrid Eldar could work, but I think things are too expensive you really need to focus on one or the other.

I would recommend as a starting point for 1500-1750 you have an Avatar, Eldrad (maybe Warlocks) Harelquins (preferably a squad of 10, with Shadowseer, you could include the other special one as well, I think he's pretty good for his points, and as many Kiss' as you can manage points wise) 4+ squads of Guardians (2 with Bright Lance, 2 with Scatter Laser, then BL, then SL if you get any more squads) then you have the issue of choosing between War Walkers and Wraithlords. I'd personally go Wraithlords, 3 of them and Avatar are pretty tough, with Eldard as support and 40 Guardians in a fearless bubble, with Harlequins giving cover to as much as possible, as a nice counter assault unit you have a pretty solid foundation. War Walkers are probably going to do more damage, and have the option of outflanking to hit things on rear/side armour with lots of shots. Even from the back line, with Guide form Eldrad they do a lot of wounds.

Hope that helps.

Sorry to hijack the thread but since this is about beginning eldar my question is relevant.

Where is the best place to find a high number of WSs and Fire Prisms? I cannot seem to find and bundles on ebay. Where else should us newbs be looking to get the best bang for our buck?


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My beginner mechdar list looks like this as a core:

Farseer+goodies
2x5x DA in Wave Serpent
2x5x FD in Wava Serpent
2x Fire Prism
1x Night Spinner

this is a core for a 1250-1500pt list

season to taste


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Well rodgers, I'll certainly sit down now and start overthinking everything from the beggining.

Because when I thought about how my army would eventually look like, I had sth like this in mind:

HQ
Farseer/Eldrad
with runes and combination of Doom and Fortune/Doom and Guide

Elites
5 FD in Falcon (stones, holofields, EML)
10 SS (or HB - depends on type of enemy) in WS

Troops
Couple of DA units (everyone in WS)

Heavy support
WW or FP


I know that this exacly is mechdar but I saw a couple of battle reps and I just like the way this kind of army can be played.

And isn't a foot army too slow? I don' t really know much about it.

Thx

fcBombadil wrote:Well rodgers, I'll certainly sit down now and start overthinking everything from the beggining.

Because when I thought about how my army would eventually look like, I had sth like this in mind:

HQ
Farseer/Eldrad
with runes and combination of Doom and Fortune/Doom and Guide

Elites
5 FD in Falcon (stones, holofields, EML)
10 SS (or HB - depends on type of enemy) in WS

Troops
Couple of DA units (everyone in WS)

Heavy support
WW or FP


I know that this exacly is mechdar but I saw a couple of battle reps and I just like the way this kind of army can be played.

And isn't a foot army too slow? I don' t really know much about it.

Thx

I have read that you do not want to put FD in falcons because falcons want to shoot from long range which competes with the FDs need to get close. Therefore the best way to play falcons is to put a cheap 5 man unit of DA in there to make it scoring.

the biggest problem with Eldar besides point cost is competing force org slots. The fact that WWs compete with lords, falcons, FPs, and NSs is ridiculous. WWs seem to really mesh better with footdar because the heavy slot is too precious for a machdar list to give up a one of the grav tank choices.

I do love the WW model however and the best part about them is that they outflank. So they can really screw with backfield units like objective sitters, devastaters of all flavors, and IG parking lots. However the night spinner is long range and does not need LOS. I think these are two options that might swap well. Therefore a unit of scatter walkers and two FPs might synergise well with a mechdar list.

I would take a risk with those FD in a Falcon, because I believe in my luck and the power of holofields

And about that list I posted - it's somethig I figured out while I wanted to buy battleforces, so that's why it's made pretty much only from things from there (or maybe not?). But now please everyone post your list here to help me decide which one would suit me.

I'm sorry if what I write is kind of hard to understand, but I'm tired a bit..

A foot army is really slow. Mechdar is much more competitive and a lot of fun. There are plenty of changes you can make to a standard mechdar army.

Fire dragons in a falcon is a fundamental mistake. Falcons are gunboats and should not be used to transport any attacking unit. i.e. Only use 5 dire avengers in a falcon to make it scoring. Wave serpents are your dedicated transport and probably the best one in the game. The only thing wrong with it is it can be pricey.

Equiping your wave serpent depends on how you use them. A lot of people recommend scatter lasers, or scatterlasers and SS, or just SS. My wave serpents are almost always kitted out with TL shuriken cannon and Spirit stones. Keeps it cheap and it does its job. I would only throw on star engines to either Fire Dragons or a close combat unit like Striking scorpions and howling banshees because you must get very close with these units to make them effective.

Good luck with Eldar

Thx man.
Well, I'm going to post the progres of building my army here, so wait 'till end of May.
So see you then.

Before you do anything else read this:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/402275.page

Did you read all of it? NO?!?!? FINISH!
...
NO YOU CAN"T PEE FIRST READ IT ALL!


Ok good.

Ok, thx man.
I read much about Eldar, but I'll read it too.


Sooo.. I read all of it and thank you again, and that was great.

Ok, I'm not quite sure now how my list will look like, but it's going to be mechdar with some Gu jetbikes?
I'll post ASAP

Ok, I have a question: I can't buy a model of warlock on jetbike, can I?

Ok, so I recently came up with such a list:

HQ
Farseer (stones, both runes, Doom and Guide) - 150pts


Elites
5 FD w/ Exarch - 92pts in WS


Troops
2x 5 DA w/ Exarch (shimmer shield and power weapon and Defence) - 204pts in Falcons

10 DA w/ Exarch (dual shuriken catapults and Bladestorm) - 152pts in WS

6 Guardian jetbikes (two shuriken cannons) and warlock (singing spear and Embolden (?)) - 205pts


Heavy Support
2x Falcon (spirit stones, holofields, shuriken cannon and EML) - 380pts


WSs (BL, shuriken cannons, spirit stones) - 310pts


Everything summ up to 1493pts


What do you guys think?
Please, help me out!