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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





So I have played a grand total of 3 fantasy games and I have just settled on VC's and this is my list so far
Lords
Vampire lord Lvl 4- 450 points total
Haven't decided on build yet

Heroes
Two necromancers Lvl 2 with Corpse Carts both with load stones
Three Wraiths

Core
115ish zombies

Special
5 Hex wraiths
10 Grave Guard maybe

Rare
Black Coach
5 Blood Knights

So this is my list so far I could really use some help with what upgrades I should take and anything else my list should have in it.


Imperial Guard 2500 10-3-2
Space Marines 2000 9-3-3
Vampire Counts 2500 4-1-1 
   
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IMHO, you need more core than just zombies. Depending on the scenario, you need banners. Zombies are great but I've had a lot of success w/ Ghouls and Skelletons. I've only used the Zombies to tarpit something and hold it there while my more elite units/characters flank the unit and start doing most of the damage. Take a look at ghouls for that purpose - poison and more than 1 attack for the front rank.

Also, you need more Grave Guard if you're going for larger games. This unit is what you need to use to bust the ranks of your enemies heavy infantry. KB works wonders on knights and other units that have good armor as it kills them outright.

For lord choices, try out a Ghoul King with Scabscrath, flight, blood lust (forgot the name but you get 1 extra attack for each model killed), the fire bane gem (2+ ward vs flaming attacks), and find a 20 point piece of gear to suit your taste. On the charge, you have some 7 attacks, reroll to hit, at S6 (don't recall the King's stat line I just know he gets devastating charge), gets to shoot when he gets into combat the same way the Terrorgeist does, and for every model he kills in HTH, he gets an additional attack. Flight helps you get to the enemy faster. Just make sure you do get into combat and kill something, otherwise he does die at the end of the battle due to Scabscrath. He can take down those large regiments pretty quickly by himself. Support him with a unit, he becomes much more dangerous. If you run him without a Terrorgeist, you can fit a modest Necro Lord in as well for spell slinging.

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Utah

Well first off you need to add more core, you don't have enough for a legal list. Remember 25% of your list has to be core. I would add a unit of skeletons with the screaming banner, they are a solid unit and are difficult to fight for many units due to the difficult fear checks.

I would also consider dropping the corpse carts from the necros and just buy them as a special if you really want them. They make sniping your necromancers with warmachines all too easy.

I also agree with boyd on the grave guard I wouldn't field less than 20 otherwise you're losing rank bonus and casualties from range and magic will destroy your most of your unit before they get a chance to fight.
   
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I don't recall off hand but how many points zombies are but he may have the bare minimum to play a 2000 point game if he goes for the full load out on them. Either way, you need a lot of core for VC only because they are cheap and you need them to tarpit. Your core (with the exception of Ghouls) will hold a unit in place. Your more elite troops such as Ghouls, GG, Black Knights, Blood Knights, etc. will actually grind the enemy down. Ghouls shouldn't be charging the front rank, they should be hitting the flank. It will negate the enemies ranks, increase your combat res, and you'll have more attacks than the enemy due to the facing of your models. If you can get 12 attacks to the enemies 4-5 is much better than taking the brunt of the enemies attacks because you hit their front line. Models have to direct their attacks at the unit they're in base to base with (unless they're in BTB with more than 1 unit which only happens on the corners.) The zombies will take the brunt of the enemy attacks while the ghouls will chomp away at the rest of the unit taking fewer casualties. Zombies are cheap to raise and you get more when you raise them over the other units so you don't worry about them as much.

If you had about two 50 man units of zombies you're looking at approx 350-400 points and you can force the enemy to hit them first. You just have to position your support troops so they can reach the enemy. Throw a Vargheist or the new big Ghouls in between the two units just shy of the front lines in the center and they can hit the flanks of your enemy after they receive the charge. Just have a Necro or VC in each of the big units to boost the Zombies LD and they will be steadfast. If you put a VC in the unit, just make sure you challenge if you need to. The Hex Knights make an interesting unit as you can charge through their units. I don't recall if you can go through your own troops though. Either way, if you put them behind another unit so they can't get sniped by magic, they will hit like a load of bricks and you can hit more than one unit by charging through their units

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Thanks for the input, I was wondering if dire wolves are a good choice for additional core along with the Ghouls? Also are grave guard and blood knights good for their point cost? Right now I am shooting for a 2000 point list.

Imperial Guard 2500 10-3-2
Space Marines 2000 9-3-3
Vampire Counts 2500 4-1-1 
   
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Utah

In my opinion grave guard are very good for their cost, blood knights on the other hand I have trouble justifying. They seem to cost too many points to make a decent sized unit when you could just buy a pile of black knights for much cheaper. Their leadership is also very low and they seem way too susceptible to charge baiting unless you keep them near your general. Lastly they are vampires, making any casualties they take much more difficult to regenerate with invocation.

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Okay I have about 20 grave guard right now. How is the black coach? I had one of those given to me so I plan on running it in my first few games.

Imperial Guard 2500 10-3-2
Space Marines 2000 9-3-3
Vampire Counts 2500 4-1-1 
   
 
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