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So I was thinking about these two 500pt (or so) army lists and if they were to face off against each other. Then I started getting annoyed by the fact that unless the Chaos army was able to get all the charges off, they'd get either shot to hell, or mowed down by a horrendous amount of attacks. Looking for people to weigh in.

Here are the lists:
Chaos:
Lord: MoK, Daemon Weapon
X5 Berserkers w/ Skull Champ w/Power Fist in Rhino
X5 Berserkers w/ Skull Champ w/Power Fist in Rhino

Orks:
Warboss, PK, BosspoleN Cybork Body
X20 Boyz, x2 Big Shootas, Nob w/PK
X20 Boyz, x2 Big Shootas, Nob w/PK
X2 Kans w/ Big Shootas

I know there's a little points difference, but I don't think it would make that big a difference.
Anyways, what do you all think?

Thanks!
T-

I think you are spot on with what you said. Chaos needs the charge, or they lose badly.
Honestly, I think i'd drop the rhinos for more bodies, but I don't play chaos, thats just me.

I'd love to see a game between these two armies. Let the chopping begin!

Anyways, as for your problem, swap out one of the berzerker squads for squad of CSM with an icon of khorne. That way they're nearly as choppy, but don't need the charge on the one hand, and they get bolters to shoot on the other.

Put the berzerkers behind the CSM and slowly advance. If the orks don't charge, they get boltered (and eventually berzerker charged). If they do, they get countercharged by berzerkers.

Also, swap out that ridiculous demon weapon with a pair of lightning claws and you'll not only have more killing power overall, but you'll also have more points to spend on that CSM squad.

you definitely need more bodies for chaos. Your rhinos unless you speed up and deploy behind them aren't helping much imo because the orks are operating at 18". They could kite you if they wanted to, but the fact that they outnumber you 4:1 says alot. If you just rely on assault you aren't going to get the job done.

If the idea is to have both lists semibalanced, then the kanns really tilt the scale in the wrong direction as well.

I would run something more like this for the chaos player:

8 berzerkers with the pk char
10 chaos space marines 1 with a flamer, 1 with a meltagun
1 deamon prince (no mark to keep points down)

This almost doubles the amount of guys that chaos has, gives you realistic answers to enemy armor (like the kans).

the ork list almost seems abusive at those point levels, it would be like the chaos player running 2 8 man squads of chaos space marines with a flamer, a daemon prince, and a defiler where the chaos player just castles up until the orks get close.

Then I don't enjoy lists that are built to fight army A or B, I prefer the all comers list.

When I was toying around with the Chaos list I then looked at the most likely opponent I would have, and it happened to be Orks. What I then did was put together a 500pt list of Orks I would run and as soon as I saw that 4:1 ratio, I was seriously bummed out haha.
Thing is, lightning clawed Lord or a Daemon Prince, they'll kill a few and then get dragged down and beaten into oblivion.

Maybe the Chaos list is a wash at 500pts.

Thanks for the replies!
T-