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There's a great kickstarter being discussed in N&R (here) that I thought I'd link you lads to

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/397426799/modest-magics-modular-terrain?ref=users



There's a video at the very top of the kickstarter page that explains it much better than I could. It's basically a really cheap castle (albiet made from pretty flimsy material) made of completely modular pieces to construct in many different configurations. $100 for what's pictured above through the kickstarter, or $150 for two of them . (I went for two)

Hope this interests some of you as much as it has me, and that it gets funded. It's over halfway there already, and the creator is actually posting in the N&R thread getting wargamer feedback (since he is an RPGer) and thinking of offering broken wall pieces as an option, etc.

I plan to overrun this with my troll horde, not exactly sure who the defenders will be, but I'm sure I'll think of something

Seems like something I could make myself. And GW's is cheaper and IMO looks leagues better

Gw does look better though is much smaller. the cool thing with this is you can change it up. idk looks like someone could make this thing look really good id just be worried at the durability

There are a lot of other, better castles.

1.) Something like the above can be build with Lego or several similar castle building kits for children. I still own one produced in Spain called Castilho.
2.) Even some children castles look better.
3.) From Russia you get the following rather cheap castle plastic kits, this one being one of the biggest ones:

4.) You can get old ones by Hauser/Elastolin which fit quite well.

5.) Here is one by Vatican Enterprises: http://www.wargamescenics.com/

6.) maybe the best is this one by Ziterdes, though it costs 169 €:
http://www.ziterdes.de/ziterdes/en/produkte/article_detail.php?we_objectID=2763211&catID=64&subcatID=67


In other words, I am not impressed by this attempt.

Do you realize how much that many legos would cost? to build something that big you'd probably spend hundreds in legos and thats if you got them used on ebay and you'd end up with a rainbow caslte. The lego castle set is around 150 and is much smaller. For the price this is great especially since you can make whatever you want out of it (already thinking space hulk/kill team fantasy style) though i said my one concern is durability but he said in faq its pretty sturdy.

Good thing most people have more legos than god and there is such a thing as textured paint....

I think it is actually a nice kit. $100 for that much castle is the same price GW charges but they give you less for your money. The only reason I am hesitant is because I know that the GW castle is in the right scale/aesthetics of my models, this could go either way.

-cgmckenzie

Interesting comments, certanily won't begrudge folks who don't like it . I think it's fantastic... if you watch the video, you can remove sections and so actually have models inside the castle.

I do have to contest this point in particular, however:

Kroothawk wrote:5.) Here is one by Vatican Enterprises: http://www.wargamescenics.com/

The website lists this castle as 16" x 16" x 7.25".

The castle in the OP is 33" x 33" x 10".

So, you can fit four of these castles inside the one in the OP.

Not only that, but this castle linked to (which is not even the most expensive of your examples) costs $140. Two of the castles in the OP cost $150.

So, for about the same cost, you can have eight times more castle pieces, fully configurable, than you could get for about the same cost in the example linked to.

For someone like me, whose been looking for a way to have a Gigantic castle (I have a 10' x 5' ping pong table in my basement I plan to use this on) to use with a full warhammer army inside and one attacking (the attackers I have can legally be fielded up to 7000 points, if I ease percentage restrictions, it could probably be 10,000 points) the options you'ved linked to are simply not options. They can't be combined together to make a truly large castle, and they are pretty expensive (at least, the ones that have actual links to buy them at). I would think shipping could also be prohibitive for large pieces like this- it's included in the Kickstarter pledge in the OP.

As to using textured paint, the creator shows a painted version at the end of his video, so if you'd consider sprucing up lego pieces (in my opinion, a very bad idea) you could easily do the same with these, and again for much less money.

All that to say, as I started, I certainly don't begrudge people who don't favor this, but for me it's perfect. It also gives me the option to remove sections that have been breached, and basically actually use it for a wargame using the siege rules, which is what I've been looking for something to do with for some time... and none of the other options listed (or that I've found in my own searches in the past) have fulfilled these requirements.

Hopefully I've swayed a few of you, if not, no hard feelings . Personally, I'm really psyched for it, and will definitely be finding a way to paint it up. If you think of how large a castle you can make with this (I plan to stretch it out along most of the length of a 10 foot table, rather than making it more "square" as it is shown) I think you'll see why I think it's such a good deal and a revolutionary idea for actually making a large castle affordable to wargamers.

Yep, people need to look at the dimension ( OP's castle is way bigger )

Comparing to GW's, its still bigger, and comes with TWO

I would really like to see what the OP Castle looks like painted, and with minis beside / in / on. Ten inch high walls are.. pretty high sure, but then again they are castle walls.
Either way, it's a little bit hard to get a feeling of how big it actually is without having some minis running about. Or at least it is for me.

There's such a thing as being TOO modular.

This idea hits that point. Its basically a lego style concept, which means I have to put in too much work to get out of it what I want.

Modularity needs to be JUST RIGHT. It allows me to build a large number of different things, and I can build those things without a ton of work.

The "modularity" of Witchfate Tor is too little. There's really no important modularity there. I can re-arrange the floors, or drop one/two floors out, but thats not much meaningful modularity.

RiTides wrote:The website lists this castle as 16" x 16" x 7.25".

The castle in the OP is 33" x 33" x 10".

So, you can fit four of these castles inside the one in the OP.

Not only that, but this castle linked to (which is not even the most expensive of your examples) costs $140. Two of the castles in the OP cost $150.

So, for about the same cost, you can have eight times more castle pieces, fully configurable, than you could get for about the same cost in the example linked to.

Everyone to his own. But:
1.) Glueing square walls together doesn't make a castle: Only Foreign Legion forts have a far resemblance to this model. But nothing from the middle ages. For Europeans who are familiar with how castles look, this is a problem.
2.) We are in the Warhammer Fantasy subforum. Warhammer mostly has regiments in formation with awkward rules for city fights or fights around buildings. You don't want half the table to be taboo for all troops. So the smaller the castle, the better. That's why I only use this Elastolin castle for standard games:


The Ziterdes and Vatican Enterprises options are the more expensive ones (but most realistic ones as well). The Russian seems to be the cheapest one.
BTW found the Castle building system Exin's "Castillos", if you just need straight walls:
http://www.norbeck.nu/exin/english.html
http://www.historialago.com/maq_000_exin_castillos_01.htm

Like I said, we don't have to see eye to eye, but again to be fair:

1) You don't glue the OP castle together it remains reconfigurable, similar to your lego examples
2)Regiments are exactly the reason that, if you want a castle to contain a fantasy force, in my opinion it needs to be large. There are many small buildings (particularly good ones from GW) available for simply garrisoning buildings. Not that the building rules are any good, anyway . What I've been looking for is a castle that can contain an entire fantasy army, to use with the Blood in the Badlands siege rules (although brief, they sound fun).

Your latest link has a broken page where it lists to buy them, are they still in production? Since I can't see the prices, I can't know for sure... but I cannot fathom that this would be anywhere near the price of the castle in the OP to obtain a similar size (it says that the large pictures shown used many kits together).

Hence my posting the OP's link here- it's the first truly large, cheap solution for a castle that I have found, and I've been looking for one! I agree that as a solution for smaller, more intricate (but signifcantly more expensive) castles many of the options you've linked to are excellent.

The CF wrote:I would really like to see what the OP Castle looks like painted, and with minis beside / in / on. Ten inch high walls are.. pretty high sure, but then again they are castle walls.
Either way, it's a little bit hard to get a feeling of how big it actually is without having some minis running about. Or at least it is for me.

If you watch the video hes moving 28mm miniatures around the castle The castle gates are rather large but thats normal as you can fit siege engines through. He also has a small painted piece in the video.

It doesnt look like it is too difficult to assemble. The wall pieces are rather large and the towers just stack on top of each other.

Also someone said the game doesnt work well with such a large buildings. Well thats what house rules are for. Plus GW sells battering rams and siege towers on their site and with the modularity of the castle you can easily remove destroyed walls.

keisukekun wrote:Also someone said the game doesnt work well with such a large buildings. Well thats what house rules are for. Plus GW sells battering rams and siege towers on their site and with the modularity of the castle you can easily remove destroyed walls.

Or GW's own siege rules, from Blood in the Badlands . There's very little to them, but they are intended to be used for a large castle... hence my interest!

RiTides wrote:

keisukekun wrote:Also someone said the game doesnt work well with such a large buildings. Well thats what house rules are for. Plus GW sells battering rams and siege towers on their site and with the modularity of the castle you can easily remove destroyed walls.

Or GW's own siege rules, from Blood in the Badlands . There's very little to them, but they are intended to be used for a large castle... hence my interest!

Cool Ill have to look into that ^_^. Cant contribute now but may do so in a few weeks.

Found some pics on his site with models on it:

Nice find! Helps show the scale of it

Kickstarter is over $3K, and tracking toward $10K according to Kicktraq... although now that some of the higher pledge levels are sold out, I wonder if it might slow down a bit.

Great thread! Kiwidru and I were just discussing this- we're running a BitB style campaign, and sieges have been something of a challenge with our current set of store terrain. Thanks for the post Ri!

I don't get how people are able to complain about this. For $100 you get a whole playable modular castle which can be used for a multitude of different projects because if it's modularity. I would never be able to say the same for a GW product. The creator is a gamer like me and you and just wants this world to have better terrain options, he's not asking you to sacrifice your firstborn to Satan or threatening to burn your women and rape your houses.

If I had money I would gladly donate.

Well, for 40$, you get a modular castle that looks less than a supermodern prison complex. But tastes differ.

Red_Zeke wrote:Great thread! Kiwidru and I were just discussing this- we're running a BitB style campaign, and sieges have been something of a challenge with our current set of store terrain. Thanks for the post Ri!

Wish I had someone to do this with! Hoping to maybe get Jin or Wehrkind interested in doing so once I have this set up

He updated the posting with some broken wall pieces (which were suggested on Dakka- cool that he's responding to feedback so quickly!) on the Update tab of the kickstarter:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/397426799/modest-magics-modular-terrain/posts

Also this dice tower... which turned out a lot better / useful looking than I'd thought it would!

I dont think the arguments against it are that it isnt worth the money etc....

Its mainly because regardless of what you can do with it, its ugly.

No one wants ugly terrain.

A DIY looking box with a gate is not many peoples idea of a nice addition to their gaming tables.

I will admit it's basic but if people want "Skull Skullington's Skull Fortress of Skulls" it'd seem easy enough to model, it's kinda like a sandwich, it's gotta have bread but besides that it's whatever you want it to be

For anyone who would like to check it out there is an update at http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/397426799/modest-magics-modular-terrain
We've introduced some new concepts and would love your feedback.